World Handicap System (WHS)

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Can someone just remind/clarify fr me. I've had look in the WHS book but just want to check.

4BBB strokeplay match at own club tomorrow. We each know our HI and CH. But do I take 85% of each for the PH of each of the four for PH? Then it seems like we don't then take the lowest PH of all four off the PH of the other three to give the strokes received? Instead all four of us get strokes according to our PH?

So I am going to be the lowest handicapper. My HI is 8.4 and at my own track my CH is 9; for 4BBB the guidance indicates 85% of that - which is 7.65 so my PH for 4bbb at my own track is 8. In the past I would have taken 8 off the PH of the other three and that would have given the shots the other three receive - I would have got no shots - but the guidelines suggest that I don't do the differencing and I get a shot on holes 1-8, really?

Sorry for being so dim.

 

[rulefan]

Gotcha now, I have access old CONGU records through my ISV for now. Couldn’t the card be added via the dashboard after retrieving the scores?

I believe so.

 

[Old Skier]

Can someone just remind/clarify fr me. I've had look in the WHS book but just want to check.

4BBB strokeplay match at own club tomorrow. We each know our HI and CH. But do I take 85% of each for the PH of each of the four for PH? Then it seems like we don't then take the lowest PH of all four off the PH of the other three to give the strokes received? Instead all four of us get strokes according to our PH?

So I am going to be the lowest handicapper. My HI is 8.4 and at my own track my CH is 9; for 4BBB the guidance indicates 85% of that - which is 7.65 so my PH for 4bbb at my own track is 8. In the past I would have taken 8 off the PH of the other three and that would have given the shots the other three receive - I would have got no shots - but the guidelines suggest that I don't do the differencing and I get a shot on holes 1-8, really?

Sorry for being so dim.

Confused (easily done these days ) is it match play or stroke play, if it’s stroke play BB you’ve always had shots on holes unless your off scratch.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Confused (easily done these days ) is it match play or stroke play, if it’s stroke play BB you’ve always had shots on holes unless your off scratch.

It's a strokeplay (as opposed to stableford) better ball match.

I might be getting really confused and my memory failing me - but in a four ball better ball match I am sure that strokes received were worked out from the lowest handicap by subtracting the lowest handicap (90%) off each of the other three players handicap (90%).

So if I was lowest off 10 and other three were all off 20, I'd get 9 shots and the other three would get 18 shots. Differencing I'd get no shots in the match and the other three would get a shot on SI 1-9. Or have I been doing this wrong for as long as I can remember.

 

[rulefan]

Can someone just remind/clarify fr me. I've had look in the WHS book but just want to check.

4BBB strokeplay match at own club tomorrow. We each know our HI and CH. But do I take 85% of each for the PH of each of the four for PH? Then it seems like we don't then take the lowest PH of all four off the PH of the other three to give the strokes received? Instead all four of us get strokes according to our PH?

So I am going to be the lowest handicapper. My HI is 8.4 and at my own track my CH is 9; for 4BBB the guidance indicates 85% of that - which is 7.65 so my PH for 4bbb at my own track is 8. In the past I would have taken 8 off the PH of the other three and that would have given the shots the other three receive - I would have got no shots - but the guidelines suggest that I don't do the differencing and I get a shot on holes 1-8, really?

Sorry for being so dim.

4BBB strokeplay match

Is it match play or stroke play?

If stroke play, each player gets his own Playing Handicap
If match play, each player's Playing Handicap is calculated and then each player reduces his PH by the lowest player's PH.

 

[DeanoMK]

Hello, quick question.

I played last Saturday off the yellows, non-competition, my index is 14.9 which gave me a course handicap of 16 and a 95% playing handicap of 15.

I played, scored and signed to that handicap. I had issues entering the card so the club entered it for me and they've put me as a 16 handicap giving me one extra point on my total.

Who is correct? The club or I?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

4BBB strokeplay match

Is it match play or stroke play?

If stroke play, each player gets his own Playing Handicap
If match play, each player's Playing Handicap is calculated and then each player reduces his PH by the lowest player's PH.

Match play. Is each player's PH calculated by 90% of his CH or 85%. The WHS guidelines document I read indicated 85%? And before doing the difference from the lowest PH for each player I round the PH to nearest integer as before (x.5 going up)?

I've looked on the club website and though there is loads of WHS info - I can't find this most basic guidance,

 

[IanMcC]

It's a strokeplay (as opposed to stableford) better ball match.

I might be getting really confused and my memory failing me - but in a four ball better ball match I am sure that strokes received were worked out from the lowest handicap by subtracting the lowest handicap (90%) off each of the other three players handicap (90%).

So if I was lowest off 10 and other three were all off 20, I'd get 9 shots and the other three would get 18 shots. Differencing I'd get no shots in the match and the other three would get a shot on SI 1-9. Or have I been doing this wrong for as long as I can remember.

Could be wrong, but to my mind, if it is a match, the handicap allowance is 90%, not 85%.

 

[Old Skier]

Hello, quick question.

I played last Saturday off the yellows, non-competition, my index is 14.9 which gave me a course handicap of 16 and a 95% playing handicap of 15.

I played, scored and signed to that handicap. I had issues entering the card so the club entered it for me and they've put me as a 16 handicap giving me one extra point on my total.

Who is correct? The club or I?

Comp will be decided on Playing Handicap, HI done on Course Handicap

 

[Old Skier]

Could be wrong, but to my mind, if it is a match, the handicap allowance is 90%, not 85%.

Now he’s decided what he’s playing it’s 90%

 

[DeanoMK]

Comp will be decided on Playing Handicap, HI done on Course Handicap

Okay, so it's only comps that the 95% is used for? Thought I'd sussed most of this whs malarkey, haha.

 

[Old Skier]

Comp will be decided on Playing Handicap, HI done on Course Handicap

If it was a NQ @DeanoMK they may have used the CH for the comp

 

[IanMcC]

Hello, quick question.

I played last Saturday off the yellows, non-competition, my index is 14.9 which gave me a course handicap of 16 and a 95% playing handicap of 15.

I played, scored and signed to that handicap. I had issues entering the card so the club entered it for me and they've put me as a 16 handicap giving me one extra point on my total.

Who is correct? The club or I?

If it is an acceptable score (qualifier) then the software automatically adjusts for 95% Playing Handicap.
If it is a 'non qualifier', which it sounds like it is, then the software gives you the option of setting a handicap fraction or not. If they have left it at 1/1 then you get 16 shots. If they set it at 19/20 (95%) then you get 15 for the comp.
At least, this is true with ClubV1.

 

[rulefan]

Could be wrong, but to my mind, if it is a match, the handicap allowance is 90%, not 85%.

Yes.
Four-ball Stableford is 85%. Four-ball Match is 90%.

 

[rulefan]

And before doing the difference from the lowest PH for each player I round the PH to nearest integer as before (x.5 going up)?

Yes.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Cool - many thanks. Sooo. Going to be fun tomorrow. My partner gets 5 shots from me; my opponents get 14 and 15. Love that sort of challenge. Just have to play steady middle SF golf as that will usually be enough to prevent them winning holes and I'll have my buddy come in to win holes for us

 

[Imurg]

Are they still ironing out problems with handicaps?
I haven't put a card in since WHS began.
I got an email this morning informing me that my index has gone up to 6.7 from 6.2.
As far as I can tell the only thing that was different in the numbers between WHS and CONGU was the ESR that didn't get used in the transition.
How can my index change without putting in a card..?

I think I've solved this.
From memory, my cards from Whipsnade were worked out with a slope of 125
They haven't been rated yet and have been given temporary ratings.
They've now used the temporary ratings in my calculation - 117 Whites, 114 Yellows.
That, I presume, makes enough difference to make the change.

 

[MendieGK]

I’ve been really positive about the new handicap system, until yesterday.
Played in the medal at burnham.

Par 70. Only 10’players broke nett 80 out of 95!! Yet the PCC reckons the course only played 1 shot harder than normal!!
1 shot!!!
In the old system it would have been reductions only all day long.
absolutely ridiculous

 

[rulefan]

I’ve been really positive about the new handicap system, until yesterday.
Played in the medal at burnham.

Par 70. Only 10’players broke nett 80 out of 95!! Yet the PCC reckons the course only played 1 shot harder than normal!!
1 shot!!!
In the old system it would have been reductions only all day long.
absolutely ridiculous

So the effect on your handicap is the same? ie nil

 

[MendieGK]

So the effect on your handicap is the same? ie nil

No it actually cost me getting off scratch. If the results yday only led to a 1 shot PCC then it will basically never go any higher