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World Handicap System (WHS)
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IanMcC
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Can I ask how Winter Leagues are adjusting their winter handicaps under WHS?
Our league reduces HI by 0.1 for each stableford point over 30 (15 hole comps), and increases it by 0.1 for each point under 30, but you cannot have a higher HI than what you started the winter season at.
Another league at our club reduce the index by 0.25 for each shot under 36 (18 holes), and a full 1.0 if they win a weekly pot. There are no increases.
All of our winter comps are not acceptable for official handicap changes.
Any thoughts on either of these methods, or anything that you use, would be most welcome.
Our league reduces HI by 0.1 for each stableford point over 30 (15 hole comps), and increases it by 0.1 for each point under 30, but you cannot have a higher HI than what you started the winter season at.
Another league at our club reduce the index by 0.25 for each shot under 36 (18 holes), and a full 1.0 if they win a weekly pot. There are no increases.
All of our winter comps are not acceptable for official handicap changes.
Any thoughts on either of these methods, or anything that you use, would be most welcome.
Swango1980
Well-known member
Can you not just continue doing exactly the same thing as you did before. It is unofficial, so doesn't need to follow the WHS procedure. And, if you are always playing on the same course, taking into account course difficulty will not be an issue.
IanMcC
Well-known member
We took the decision at week 1 that we wanted to fully break away from CONGU, and embrace the WHS as much as we can.
Swango1980
Well-known member
The Congu way was easier for your winter comps, as you only need to adjust the handicap as each score comes in. You do not need to remember historical scores.
If you want to embrace WHS as much as possible, you could set up a spreadsheet, where you record each players score. Get it to pick out their best 8 scores from 20. You probably won't even need to de-slope the scores, as you are playing the same course anyway. So, work out an appropriate Course Rating for the 15 holes if possible. Compare each players adjusted gross score to this Course Rating. Their course handicap will be the average of the lowest 8 gross differentials. Their playing handicap will be 95% of this.
IanMcC
Well-known member
All good ideas, but not really practical for season 1. We only play on a Sunday, and with restrictions this year we only have 18 weeks to play. We count our best 7 and worst 1 to work out the winner, so maybe this could be a starting point for next years handicaps.
sweaty sock
Hacker
The whole purpose of the WHS is that you enter all your scores (winter, 9 holes, 15 holes etc etc). And it calculates a fair handicap? So why not just plug it in and use it.
As your club have backed away from this i would say that without manually managing it your much better of sticking with what has worked?
As your club have backed away from this i would say that without manually managing it your much better of sticking with what has worked?
Bdill93
Undisputed King of FOMO
Half true though. The idea was that you submit as many scores as possible so the handicap reflects your current playing ability. Doesnt mean everyones doing that, but it was the aim!
sweaty sock
Hacker
The more accurate you want your handicap to be, then the more scores you should enter?!
Most of the UK, myself included, are used to and want their handicap to reflect their ability under competition conditions. So will gravitate to only entering scores from such conditions.
The point I was getting at is that playing 18 holes is by no means a necessity. And on a rated course, winter isnt considered a reason to not play for handicap (again personally i disagree, but it is what it is).
Most of the UK, myself included, are used to and want their handicap to reflect their ability under competition conditions. So will gravitate to only entering scores from such conditions.
The point I was getting at is that playing 18 holes is by no means a necessity. And on a rated course, winter isnt considered a reason to not play for handicap (again personally i disagree, but it is what it is).
IanMcC
Well-known member
Quite a shocking response, I must say. I think you should read section 2.1 of the Rules of Handicapping book. Our course uses lift and place in the entire general area, so rounds are not acceptable for handicap.
As M&H Secretary, I take it as a real insult when you say our club has backed away from WHS.
sweaty sock
Hacker
I suppose you need to judge when your handicap will be used. If its for a sunday kick around with 5 foot gimmies 90% of your golf, then I would say those are the most important rounds to enter!
I would say that through gritted teeth, as thats a crap solution for equitable handicaps.
I would say that through gritted teeth, as thats a crap solution for equitable handicaps.
sweaty sock
Hacker
Absolutely no offence intended, I personally 100% agree with that decision as I would prefer handicaps to stay as a representation of your formal golf ability. But the push has been to rate winter courses, avoid prefered lies, and enter scores. Our county have been agressively pushing this approach? Has it been different for you?
IanMcC
Well-known member
There has been no push, either from Wales Golf or our club management, to have our winter courses rated. We are a parkland course in rainy North Wales. The greenkeeper requests preferred lies everywhere in Winter months to protect the course as much as possible, and I think he is right.
sweaty sock
Hacker
So do I, but that in effect rules out the WHS for 6 months unless you do it manually...
IanMcC
Well-known member
It rules out HI changes, yes, but we are using this period to get members used to converting their HI to a CH, and making them aware of the 95% to achieve PH. Believe me, it will take the full winter period (not 6 months, more like 4) for some of them to get it.
Swango1980
Well-known member
Presumably you mean avoid preferred lies in the general area as a whole, not preferred lies on grass cut to fairway height or less?
sweaty sock
Hacker
Whatever makes it qualifying...
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Had my first WHS experience yesterday in the midweek stableford. 37pts which would have been a 0.2 cut in old money (CSS was 35pts 99% of the time) but my HI came down by 0.1 this morning.
Swango1980
Well-known member
We had a member, who had a CONGU handicap of 27.1. He only had one score pre October 2020 (before the WHS 1st became available before launch), so his Index was set to 27.1. He had submitted 3 additional scores in October, and 1 extra score on 4th November just after launch. Based on his 5 scores, his Index went up to 33.1. This gave him ELEVEN additional shots off the yellow tees, with his Course Handicap being 38.1.
He won yesterdays Seniors competition with 48 points. You've got to love WHS. I suspect it will take some time to settle.
He won yesterdays Seniors competition with 48 points. You've got to love WHS
. I suspect it will take some time to settle.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
A cousin of a buddy of mine is a golfer in the US and his club has adopted the 2 shot penalty and drop option for when a ball is hit OoB (that we have not adopted). Under WHS do all golf clubs the world over not need to be playing to a consistent set of rules?
