robinthehood
Hacker
The rules have changed, quite why some struggle to accept them and stick with the old ones is beyond me .
Each to his own.
Each to his own.
Winter rules - pick and place
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backwoodsman
Tour Winner
Each to their own indeed. Just that, to me, any 1ft diameter semicircle of grass looks very much like the next. If il don't put a marker down, the chance of me placing it back in the right one is slim
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
The rules might have changed but the requirement for the ball to be placed within 6" of where it came to rest has not.
rulefan
Tour Winner
Of course that is a CONGU 'requirement' not a Rule of Golf. A large part of the rest of the world work to one clublength when absolute precision is not so important.
Even with 6" it only needs a reasonable attempt to get it right
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
But you can't place it nearer the hole so how do you know it's not nearer the hole if you don't have a mark of some sort?
There could be a nice worm cast or really fresh piece of turf an inch or two closer.....
Jus sayin
There could be a nice worm cast or really fresh piece of turf an inch or two closer.....
Jus sayin
robinthehood
Hacker
Like the myriad of other situations where you could cheat and I'd be none the wiser I would expect you not to.
rulie
Head Pro
See Rule 1.2a, Conduct Expected of All Players,
- Acting with integrity, for example, by following the Rules....
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rosecott
Money List Winner
Just thought I'd resurrect this thread after a lively discussion in our spike bar after yesterday's round.
We have a very decent 12-handicapper with many many years of experience playing all over, and definitely no spring chicken. When he first came to us a couple of years ago he was taken to task by numerous members when he would exercise his "right" to improve his lie with "Pick and Place" in force. His method was to jiggle the ball about with the end of his club until he was happy with the lie. He finally agreed to stop doing it that way when it was pointed out that the model Local Rule specifically mentioned that method as unacceptable and should result in a penalty.
After the enormous efforts made to get him to change his ways, he is now good as gold and marks his ball, lifts, cleans and places when Winter Rules are in play. We are reluctant to let him know of the rule change in case he goes back to his club jiggling routine. Do you think we should tell him?
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
The rule is lift
I do not see how niggling with the club head meets this requirement.
Although if the position has been marked
14.1 Marking, Lifting and Cleaning Ball
14.1a/1 – Ball May Be Lifted in Any Manner
There are no restrictions on how a ball may be lifted so long as the ball is not lifted in a way that deliberately tests the putting green (Rule 13.1e).
For example, after the spot of the ball is marked on the putting green, the player may lift the ball with the back of the putter or may move it to the side with a club.
rulefan
Tour Winner
But in the case of PLs, the ball may only be placed once. Jiggling won't satisfy that requirement.
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
On a related note am I the only one that finds it strange that we have the detail of 14.2 b (2) for a ball required to be replaced, but nothing for a ball being placed.
Whilst I appreciate that replaced required an additional measure of accuracy there are process elements in that above rule that do not contribute to accuracy, so why not apply the same methodology to any ball being placed?
rosecott
Money List Winner
I'm with you on this. It's not easy to explain to players the rationale behind two situations where you are allowed to lift the ball but you must mark the spot in one situation but do not need to in the other.
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
Sorry, that's not my point at all (and I don't have any problem with the requirement to mark a ball that's to be replaced, but not one that isn't). The anomally there was with the previous LR relative to the rest of the rules.
The rule I referenced is the new process definition for physically placing the ball, but only applies when a ball is to be replaced.
oltimer
Assistant Pro
As the intention is usually to be able to clean the ball I carry a clean ball in my pocket then place it within the 6 inches of the one to be lifted and play that for my next shot, save a bit of time and then clean the lifted ball ( whilst walking) ready to use it in a similar manner for the next pref lie situ.
anotherdouble
Journeyman Pro
Who will be the 1st
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
Well, I will bite on your question - but suspect that may not make me the first that's anticipated...
robinthehood
Hacker
The first for what?
oltimer
Assistant Pro
Presumably to say you cannot change balls during play of a hole !
rulefan
Tour Winner
It's always nice to be first, there are often prizes. But I won't this time.
robinthehood
Hacker
I did this today.
