Homer
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No idea where you play but sounds like your grass cutter is an expert bunker right raker!
I’ll stick to proper golf courses thanks.
Winter matchplay unfairness for low handicappers
- Thread starter Twissy22
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No idea where you play but sounds like your grass cutter is an expert bunker right raker!
I’ll stick to proper golf courses thanks.
Twissy22
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So you have played for 50 years but can count on your toes how many times you have been beaten. So you must have won your matchplay event at your club at least 40 times. Winter matchplay too. What's your name and club and I'll look for your name all over the matchplay events.
Not every one but 90% it's not easy to birdie holes in winter but easy to par. Greens slow wet and bobbly. I had 3 birdies today though only a half still. The last three years we have won 2 matches from 15 after Christmas. Had a few draws too
Why would it be 100 percent in doubles? I think going from 0.75 to 0.9 was enough for doubles. 0.9 and matches generally very tight and go down 18 so I would say fair. Had plenty of stuffings of high handicappers in summer too. But in winter it's nearly every time
Showed the wife, and she asked where my 19 year old hair had gone... I'd pay good money to be 19 again.
Twissy22
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So you have played for 50 years but can count on your toes how many times you have been beaten. So you must have won your matchplay event at your club at least 40 times. Winter matchplay too. What's your name and club and I'll look for your name all over the matchplay events winners pages.
I've been beaten plenty of times but not turned over, i.e. thrashed. Keep digging, you're doing a grand job.
D
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Oh dear - that’s not very nice thing to say at all is it , our “grass cutter†is superb and does a great job , as I said he has worked on multiple ET events - always trying to move the club forward , rebuilt a few tees this winter plus building 7 new bunkers , new tees need to be protected after the turf is put down - that’s just a fact.
Don’t slate people’s courses off its very disrespectful
Played plenty of “proper golf courses “ over winters and each one was shorter than the main course - bunkers out of the play , shorter tees used , mats , temp greens , temps tees - courses all over the country including Open courses and Top 10 plus ET courses
It's always been like this and surely the OP will have known the course would be shortened as the competition progressed. Out winter knockout is an honours board event and so it's played off the white plates and so as long a course as we can get. We don't shorten with the exception of temporary greens when its frosty but as the players can decide when to play (within the given deadlines per round) it doesn't tend to be an issue too often.
You'd think this would therefore play into the lower handicapper hands but usually its a mid handicap pair that comes through although not always (last year was a 5 and a 6). I think it's a weak argument as higher handicappers are off that mark for a reason and both have to dove tail on the day and for the round not to let silly holes slip away. Similarly the lower handicappers have to do the same and I've always found it a competitive and enjoyable format. If my partner and I play well and win great, if not shake hands, smile and move on. I know before I start that as a short hitter the long course doesn't favour me but I'll usually get shots so can use these to my advantage
You'd think this would therefore play into the lower handicapper hands but usually its a mid handicap pair that comes through although not always (last year was a 5 and a 6). I think it's a weak argument as higher handicappers are off that mark for a reason and both have to dove tail on the day and for the round not to let silly holes slip away. Similarly the lower handicappers have to do the same and I've always found it a competitive and enjoyable format. If my partner and I play well and win great, if not shake hands, smile and move on. I know before I start that as a short hitter the long course doesn't favour me but I'll usually get shots so can use these to my advantage
Homer
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What’s a Top 10 ET course btw?
2blue
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WHAT!!…. that much!! hahahaShowed the wife, and she asked where my 19 year old hair had gone... I'd pay good money to be 19 again.
You know how much a Smoggie will open their wallet.
D
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This type of complaint is regularly aired and I have noticed that it tends to come from those who are not what I would call low handicappers I.e. Category 1.
Generally seems to be what I would term decent mid-handicaps.
That seems to suggest that those who complain are perhaps struggling to play to their own handicap rather than the high handicappers having a built-in advantage.
Generally seems to be what I would term decent mid-handicaps.
That seems to suggest that those who complain are perhaps struggling to play to their own handicap rather than the high handicappers having a built-in advantage.
2blue
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NEVER... surely that cannot be??
I thought our place was bad enough for H boards, that I won a Xmas raffle & started looking round for my name on a Board... hahaha... this is a special night for laughs
D
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Do the maths, the study to move from 75% to 90% proved the low handicapper wins more on average and I believe they did suggest it should go to 100% but knew it would ruffle too many feathers, don’t be surprised if in the next few years it changes to 100%.
What's your problem? You're about as funny as piles.NEVER... surely that cannot be??
I thought our place was bad enough for H boards, that I won a Xmas raffle & started looking round for my name on a Board... hahaha... this is a special night for laughs
Why shouldn't it be declared a an honours board event. Full course, open to all. I can name at least a dozen courses locally that all hold a similar event and all have a board for it. We have a singles matchplay board so why not a pairs?
2blue
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Having an H Board for out of season golf is a bit of a joke really.... bring on the Xmas Raffle Board then …. OR... a pot for piles!! … good night is this.. hahaha
Twissy22
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Name and club to back up cat 1 for 40. Years status claim? Look at the comments from other low handicappers most agree it's much easier for high handicappers. It's fact. There is no way if you had all this experience you wouldn't be able to see this. How many yards are knocked off your course in winter? Maybe you have never experienced this and so have no knowledge. Our course has large revines with tight tee shots through trees but in winter these are missed out, takes all the danger from hole and shortens them massively so accuracy and distance no longer important just comes down to a chip and putt. Still a few holes that we don't mind giving shots. Birdies are not particularly easier in winter, yes you get closer but putting on winter greens is bobbly and ball doesn't hold its line but pars are easier as greens slower and so much easier for lag putts with a shot.
2blue
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We all know where Hobbit has player his golf for many a year & where he is now but I'm struggling to think of a links that has large ravines with tight shots through trees??? etc.... Where is you play??
Homer
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12 month course = 12 month competition. Know of many a Board Comp in the winter. Stop playing in the arctic if I was you!
D
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I’m a cat 1 and I agree with Hobbit , and I can also confirm having met him plenty of times that he is indeed the golfer he says he is
Your complaint is the same one I have heard from a lot of low to mid HC yet the statistics from our winter League and indeed winter KO plus Captains Cup suggests the mid to low HC continue to win
Winner of last years Singles KO - 7 HC , the final this year is between a 5 and 6 HC , the winter League was won by a 4 and 6 HC 3 times out of the last 4 - tbe other year it was a 8 and 15 HC
Hackers76
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As a high handicapper I have always thought we were at a disadvantage in the winter. Low handicap players are likely to be more consistent in hitting fairways off the tee whereas errant tee shots are punished more in muddy boggy rough.
