Windrush Scandal

[Lord Tyrion]

I am sure it doesnt, but that messes up the story.

You are probably right but then again people were being asked to leave the country so something has genuinely failed somewhere down the line. The shame is the political culture in this country is to find a slight chink in the armour and attack. That stops any grown up question and answers from happening, it is just a shrieking match. The politicians should be able to calmly highlight a fault, have it investigated, resolved and we all move on.

Somewhere out there is a parallel universe where that may happen

 

[IanM]

You are probably right but then again people were being asked to leave the country so something has genuinely failed somewhere down the line.

The shame is the political culture in this country is to find a slight chink in the armour and attack.

Well you are dead right in the first line, but I think the opposite is generally true in the second. (depending on who is involved) Some groups can do what they like, innocent citizens like these folk get grief

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Well you are dead right in the first line, but I think the opposite is generally true in the second. (depending on who is involved) Some groups can do what they like, innocent citizens like these folk get grief

Sorry, I was not clear there. I meant that instead of Labour bringing this to the attention of the govt in order to purely resolve the problem it becomes about scoring points. That makes the govt defensive and the truth becomes confused. That happens both ways, all ways in fact. My criticism was of politicians and the way they behave, it is destructive rather than constructive.

I agree with your comment.

 

[SocketRocket]

This issue is for me a symptom of having unclear immigration laws. If foreign people decide to come and live in the UK and have been accepted as suitable immigrants then they should be issued with a time limited entry/work visa. If they wish to stay after the initial visa expires then they should either apply for British Citizenship or an extension of their temporary visa. If made British Citizens they will be given the appropriate certification. Any other system is open to confusion and possible misuse. Other countries seem to do it without the type of bun fight we are currently experiencing.

 

[Hobbit]

The fact that the cards were destroyed is not really the main issue, but I would suggest the fact that as a society we were prepared to let this kind of thing (as in British citizens being threatened with deportation, people losing their jobs etc) happen is. How did we get to this, why did we get to this, what is the underlying culture that allows this thing to happen, how can we prevent us repeating the same mistakes. I'd suggest those are the issues that us a society should be really examining, not some administrative decision made several years ago.

I don't think that we, as a society, are prepared to let this sort of thing happen. I think the furore that has erupted since it came to light shows that it isn't acceptable. We put people in government, and expect them to manage the country on our behalf. And, hopefully, we also get an opposition that will hold a government to account when something goes wrong.

This isn't an issue of societal neglect, its a systemic failure of government.

 

[bluewolf]

I don't think that we, as a society, are prepared to let this sort of thing happen. I think the furore that has erupted since it came to light shows that it isn't acceptable. We put people in government, and expect them to manage the country on our behalf. And, hopefully, we also get an opposition that will hold a government to account when something goes wrong.

This isn't an issue of societal neglect, its a systemic failure of government.

Whilst I agree almost entirely, it's hard to argue against the idea that we get the Political landscape we deserve. Just a quick peruse of Twitter is enough to depress even the most optimistic of us. There may be widespread uproar about this scandal, but there's a vocal minority who not only agree with this abhorrent situation, but would wish it to go further.

 

[hors limite]

The treatment of the Windrush people is appalling - no question. However, I find that I am a bit worried by the effort of some to blur the distinction between creating a " hostile" for illegal immigrants and creating such an attitude to legitimate immigrants which should, of course not happen.

 

[hors limite]

The Guardian are running " another Tory race scandal" this morning.The govt intends trialling a scheme to require voters to produce some identification at the local elections. For some reason this is seen as impacting negatively on immigrants.Why? If you are in the UK legitimately where's the problem? Taking the idea to its logical conclusion why don't we have ID cards?
Corbyn is in faux outrage mode. The trial is in response to voting fraud and I'll leave you to guess which party has benefited the most.

 

[Hacker Khan]

The Guardian are running " another Tory race scandal" this morning.The govt intends trialling a scheme to require voters to produce some identification at the local elections. For some reason this is seen as impacting negatively on immigrants.Why? If you are in the UK legitimately where's the problem? Taking the idea to its logical conclusion why don't we have ID cards?
Corbyn is in faux outrage mode. The trial is in response to voting fraud and I'll leave you to guess which party has benefited the most.

You have been following the Windrush scandal haven't you? Where people who came to this country are having a few challenges due to their lack of official ID?

Try reading this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43300100 or watching this which although not UK focused, kind of gets the point across. And warning, it may swear a bit as that's what he does on his show occasionally. [video=youtube;rHFOwlMCdto]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHFOwlMCdto[/video]

 

[doublebogey7]

The Guardian are running " another Tory race scandal" this morning.The govt intends trialling a scheme to require voters to produce some identification at the local elections. For some reason this is seen as impacting negatively on immigrants.Why? If you are in the UK legitimately where's the problem? Taking the idea to its logical conclusion why don't we have ID cards?
Corbyn is in faux outrage mode. The trial is in response to voting fraud and I'll leave you to guess which party has benefited the most.

The point is we are not required to have any sort of identification in this country and many people don't have any. So to need to show ID in order to vote has to be anti democratic. Wasn't it the Tories who threw out the previous governments proposal for ID cards.

 

[hors limite]

I have already described the treatment of the "Windrushers" as appalling. I am simply saying that I can't see any downsides to voter ID, many of our European neighbours, Germany and Norway for example require it. Just because Windrush was a colossal cock up doesn't automatically de-legitimise any discussion of how our voting methods might be improved.

 

[bluewolf]

I have already described the treatment of the "Windrushers" as appalling. I am simply saying that I can't see any downsides to voter ID, many of our European neighbours, Germany and Norway for example require it. Just because Windrush was a colossal cock up doesn't automatically de-legitimise any discussion of how our voting methods might be improved.

Do our voting methods need improving? I'm not aware of any real need. With all due respect, this appears to be a sneaky way to implement ID cards.

 

[MegaSteve]

Benjamin Zephaniah talking some sense on the telly this morning...

Ditch the point scoring and sort the 'issue' as soon as...

And, I am with the lady saying we need to be making it easier for folk to vote not be putting more obstacles in the way...

 

[Vancanh]

it's bad

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Not at all convincing a statement from the Home Secretary today on this - that this issue has been known since 2015 and that 'regions' have been working towards targets. And she didn't know. Did the previous Home Secretary know. What is worse? That they didn't know, or that they knew but didn't deem the issue significant enough to look into. The latter methinks.

And as far as immigration and deportation targets - Low Hanging Fruit? - and so it will come to pass to an even greater extent in the future.

 

[IanM]

Targets for deporting illegals. Sounds sensible to me.

Cock up over identifying who can stay or who shouldn't. Bloody daft and unforgivable!!

Allowing ISIS fighters back it. Even dafter.


See. Dead simple.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Absolute nonsense calling for Rudd's resignation, she was only implementing May's policies.
She is the one who should go.

I think this Windrush thingy will play on for a long long time.

 

[rudebhoy]

Absolute nonsense calling for Rudd's resignation, she was only implementing May's policies.
She is the one who should go.

I think this Windrush thingy will play on for a long long time.

Rudd has been caught lying twice this week. First when she said there were no targets, then when she said she was unaware of them. The woman is shameless, and May is too scared to sack her.

 

[Tashyboy]

Do our voting methods need improving? I'm not aware of any real need. With all due respect, this appears to be a sneaky way to implement ID cards.

I think they most certainly do, I was sent a lovely photo of students in a college asking voters/ students to register in there college town so they can vote. Then they can travel back to there home address and vote again. Done with a "Vote Labour" poster in the background. If it is open to abuse, it needs changing.

Why would you not want an ID card anyway?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Rudd has been caught lying twice this week. First when she said there were no targets, then when she said she was unaware of them. The woman is shameless, and May is too scared to sack her.

She is implementing May's Tory policy , supported [or not objected to] by the vast majority of MP's.

Only a couple of dozen Labour, SNP, Plaid Cmyru and Green voted against [inc Corbyn BTW]
Makes me mad to see many MP's taking the high moral ground for a bill they voted or abstained on.