Windrush Scandal

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

It's unreasonable to expect someone like a Cabinet Minister or the CEO of a Large organisation to know the detail of every memo / policy/ discussion that takes place. You have to delegate responsibility to people that have been given a brief and then need to create the systems / processes to actuate the policy. OK, as the head of department you are ultimately responsible but if the people down the chain fail to carry out policy outlined then they should be held to account.

..and if they do not carry out the policy for whatever reason? - then perhaps it is you as the CEO who must ultimately take responsibility for the existence of the environment or culture in which that has happened.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/british-man-who-never-even-12465021

Our government is now reaching new levels of incompetence, this scenario would automatically have been rejected as too silly for a Goodies sketch.

 

[SocketRocket]

..and if they do not carry out the policy for whatever reason? - then perhaps it is you as the CEO who must ultimately take responsibility for the existence of the environment or culture in which that has happened.

Its not that simple. A CEO is a long way from the coalface and in large organisations tends to be dealing with corporate strategy and satisfying the expectations of shareholders and the market. Organisational culture is a fairly complex subject and normally not a direct result of the way a particular CEO operates. I would challenge anyone to be aware of every policy and memo existing in an organisation the size of the Home Office.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Still no real understanding of why there was a 3-line whip on Tory MPs last night on the vote to release all comms relating to the Windrush Generation immigration problem? Could it be because the governments CEO (the PM) was right behind and driving the policy - and fully cognisant of the severe personal issues being faced by many? Because 'protecting the boss' is what a 3-line whip on the matter seems like.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Still no real understanding of why there was a 3-line whip on Tory MPs last night on the vote to release all comms relating to the Windrush Generation immigration problem? Could it be because the governments CEO (the PM) was right behind and driving the policy - and fully cognisant of the severe personal issues being faced by many? Because 'protecting the boss' is what a 3-line whip on the matter seems like.

Yes ..so much for an open democracy.
Can anyone remember May's speech when she entered No10.

This desperate government have an awful lot to hide but I am certain that the UK voters are not so thick as to see this for what it is.

 

[Old Skier]

UK voters are not so thick as to see this for what it is.

Now there's a great U Turn :lol:

 

[HughJars]

Its not that simple. A CEO is a long way from the coalface and in large organisations tends to be dealing with corporate strategy and satisfying the expectations of shareholders and the market. Organisational culture is a fairly complex subject and normally not a direct result of the way a particular CEO operates. I would challenge anyone to be aware of every policy and memo existing in an organisation the size of the Home Office.

that would be fine if this wasn't a specific policy implemented by May. It's also confirmed that Rudd had emails directly relating to the policy during her tenure that would have alerted her to this. She's either complicit or incompetent. May is both.

 

[SocketRocket]

Now there's a great U Turn :lol:

:rofl:

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Now there's a great U Turn :lol:

Please explain, I think you may be confused.

 

[Old Skier]

Please explain, I think you may be confused.

No confusion my end thanks for your concern.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

No confusion my end thanks for your concern.

If you are not confused then it should be quite easy for you to explain what on earth you are wittering on about.

 

[Old Skier]

If you are not confused then it should be quite easy for you to explain what on earth you are wittering on about.

You really do like to forget what you post when it suits. Try going back to one of your posts in the 1000 odd pages of the Article 50 thread if your that interested.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

that would be fine if this wasn't a specific policy implemented by May. It's also confirmed that Rudd had emails directly relating to the policy during her tenure that would have alerted her to this. She's either complicit or incompetent. May is both.

And you'd think that that is self-evident and undeniable - but some will argue the contrary. She who is Strong & Stable must be protected.

This should have caused the Tories to be ripped apart in the local elections. That they haven't been points both at the weakness and attractiveness of Labour in the eyes of the electorate - plus I fear an acceptance amongst some Tory voters that such scandals will be the inevitable but unfortunately acceptable cost of a strict immigration policy.

And of course for those who see it as an acceptable policy and approach to identifying and dealing with illegal immigration - well that's easy to say when you are never going to be impacted by such a policy - it's easy when it others.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

You really do like to forget what you post when it suits. Try going back to one of your posts in the 1000 odd pages of the Article 50 thread if your that interested.

A50 is a different thread to Windrush.

Why am I not surprised that you cannot even give even one example of what you are alluding.
I shall leave it there and not respond to any more of your very tiresome insulting posts.

 

[SocketRocket]

A50 is a different thread to Windrush.

Why am I not surprised that you cannot even give even one example of what you are alluding.
I shall leave it there and not respond to any more of your very tiresome insulting posts.

Are you intentionally being obtuse. Here's a clue: Who were too stupid to understand the ramifications of Brexit but are clever enough to understand the details of Windrush.

 

[Old Skier]

Are you intentionally being obtuse. Here's a clue: Who were too stupid to understand the ramifications of Brexit but are clever enough to understand the details of Windrush.

Cheers.

 

[Old Skier]

I shall leave it there and not respond to any more of your very tiresome insulting posts.

Tiresome, possibly, insulting never unless in response. Once again you choose to make things up.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Are you intentionally being obtuse. Here's a clue: Who were too stupid to understand the ramifications of Brexit but are clever enough to understand the details of Windrush.

Dunno mate, you tell me.

BTW stupid is a word I always try desperately hard to avoid using, no matter how severely provoked.

 

[SocketRocket]

Dunno mate, you tell me.

BTW stupid is a word I always try desperately hard to avoid using, no matter how severely provoked.

Unbelievable