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100% spot on IMO
It's laughable that they have made matchplay and 4BBB choices based on medal play
I asked the question and was faced with blank looks
100% spot on IMO
It's laughable that they have made matchplay and 4BBB choices based on medal play
I asked the question and was faced with blank looks
richart
Major Champion
Couple of practice swings in the net is hardly putting a lot into your game.
Did you ever have your chipping lesson, and if so have you been practicing what you were taught.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
The clue is that it's a handicap competition.
Any competition using handicaps is designed to make the playing field as level as possible, be that Stableford, Medal or Matchplay
No side should have an advantage.
The advantage a low handicapper has is in scratch competitions - where the absolute best golf is rewarded.
In Handicap golf the best play relative to handicap is rewarded.
I stopped playing the Matchplay comps a few years ago, not due to giving shots ( which racks me off if I have to give shots on difficult holes) but because it was always a pain in the backside organising it.
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Played in a few of these on a guest day I have played on for years from playing to very high handicap to about 10 handicap and back up to where I am now about 14.
They play 100% handicap IIRC, never got close to winning but to be honest never felt we/team have played well. Then this year me and my partner (26 plus handicap, never seen him get close to breaking 100), had a silly round, I chipped in twice, putted from 20 foot and my partner had a number of putts that dropped. We each had blow out holes but never together, we just happened to gel. Cant remember what we scored together but it was silly high, I mean silly high, embarrassing high it was.
Two low handicappers could never have beat us, even if they had had that equivalent freaky rounds
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Anyway as a result I would say 90-100% is probably to generous/ I would think 80%-85% would be better for BB comps.
For individual comps, I think playing in games that there is only a 75% handicap is silly for high handicappers, as it is a fix for single figure handicappers to win. Played in a couple of society days that they have done that.
On my days I have two pools, one is for people who have been many times and another pool for the people who have not. I just fed up with people coming along and scoring 46-48 points and saving that they had had a good game(10-12 under their handicap, WTF!!!)
They play 100% handicap IIRC, never got close to winning but to be honest never felt we/team have played well. Then this year me and my partner (26 plus handicap, never seen him get close to breaking 100), had a silly round, I chipped in twice, putted from 20 foot and my partner had a number of putts that dropped. We each had blow out holes but never together, we just happened to gel. Cant remember what we scored together but it was silly high, I mean silly high, embarrassing high it was.
Two low handicappers could never have beat us, even if they had had that equivalent freaky rounds
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Anyway as a result I would say 90-100% is probably to generous/ I would think 80%-85% would be better for BB comps.
For individual comps, I think playing in games that there is only a 75% handicap is silly for high handicappers, as it is a fix for single figure handicappers to win. Played in a couple of society days that they have done that.
On my days I have two pools, one is for people who have been many times and another pool for the people who have not. I just fed up with people coming along and scoring 46-48 points and saving that they had had a good game(10-12 under their handicap, WTF!!!)
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Couple of practice swings in the net is hardly putting a lot into your game.
Funny you should mention that Rich, my last 3 rounds at Broadstone I'm a combined total of 5 over par. Have you gone up to Cat 3 yet?
richart
Major Champion
No I think I am in the same Category 2 as you.:ears: Been playing off the reds with Louise ?Funny you should mention that Rich, my last 3 rounds at Broadstone I'm a combined total of 5 over par. Have you gone up to Cat 3 yet?
Oxfordcomma
Challenge Tour Pro
So is there anyone whose club 4bbb comps are being won regularly by higher handicappers? Or have some of you just lost a KO round to someone you're giving shots to?
I had a quick look at my club - the same father & son cat1/cat2 pairing has won the knockout the last two years. I'm guessing they give away a lot of shots in most rounds, but still seem able to be consistent.
I had a quick look at my club - the same father & son cat1/cat2 pairing has won the knockout the last two years. I'm guessing they give away a lot of shots in most rounds, but still seem able to be consistent.
I've never bleated about it being unfair - look back at my other posts, quite the opposite in fact. Nor do I think I have a God given right to win.
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I've not played in the 4BBB knockout for quite some time but played in an open foursomes knockout competition earlier this year. We shot under par and lost to 2 guys with a combined handicap of 27.
Oxfordcomma
Challenge Tour Pro
Isn't that sort of the point of a KO comp though? In a league format, you would always expect the lower handicaps to be winning. In a KO though everyone can have their day, I see it as an FA Cup 3rd round type of thing. You know that it's going to be a low pairing that wins the overall comp (as they have at my club) but there will also be some upsets along the way.
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I don't see it that way. If a low handicapper has a good day he will shoot 1 or 2 under handicap, if a high player has a good day he will shoot 5 or 6 under his handicap. When I look at the competition results at my club, the scores in the 40+ points are always mid to high handicappers.
Old Skier
Tour Winner
Agree with the mentality angle, when I stand on the first tee in match play and the opposition say "I have to give how many shots" I fancy my chances.
As to your second point, CONGU cannot win as it appears that the odd low handicapper on here thinks that anyone with a high handicap that has the cheek to beat them is a bandit, not that they weren't up to it on that occasion.
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The 10-18 bracket is were 90% of our winners come from in Singles,
In the 4BBB comps it's quite random and more comps have been won by a mix of a cat 1 and a.n. other cat, rather than 2 from the same Cat
Oxfordcomma
Challenge Tour Pro
That's strokeplay though. When I look at the strokeplay comp results at my club, Cat 1 players win far more of them than you would expect, given the distribution of handicaps.
On matchplay, as others have said we'll need to agree to differ. No individual low handicapper has a right to win any particular match. However, a low handicapper (or pair of) does win the vast majority of club matchplay comps. Which is where this change is coming from, the stats apparently suggest that you low boys currently have an advantage. Even though so many of you like to complain about giving shots!
Norrin Radd
Tour Winner
you are quite right mate and the last of my post was not aimed at you specifically but it seems cat 1 in general .
my own results from singles ko comps are not tilted in any way towards high or low h/cappers as to weather i win or lose ,i play off 14 and can be, on my day rubbish but then it can go well and i can easily shoot 6 under h/cap .
i must say that when i play single figure players my game raises and i always seem to play better against them.
conversely when i play 20 plus players my game seems to be dragged down to their level
Leftie
Tour Winner
Possibly because the vast majority of entrants to the comp are 10-18 H/cap?????
richart
Major Champion
It will not put me off, as the maths is going to be much easier.:thup:
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Not 90% though😃
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
But stick two 5 handicappers together on the shorter/easier holes and they have two chances of making birdie!!
Believe it or not, that is the whole idea of matchplay Phil....
If Richart and I (11/12 handicaps) played you and Gary/Gordon I would put money on your pairing having more clear cut birdie chances than ours.
Whether you take them or not is down to you. We don't have any influence in that.
But I'd put money on it.
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
Is that really a fair comparison though
A cat 1 shooting 1 or 2 under is a good day (maybe even a very good day) but a cat 4 doing it would be an exceptional day surely?
Also wont cat1 players be shooting handicap or better 1 in every 3-4 rounds while cat 4 guys are nothing like that consistent with perhaps only 1in10
Sure if you meet them on their exceptional day it's bound to stick in the craw a bit for the low guy because 8/10 times you'll wup the high guy senseless but when it does come along the low guy just has to suck it up or if they can't entertain the possibility of the odd loss here and there then refrain from the handicap format of golf comps
On a separate note it does read sometimes like wupping the high guy the vast majority of times isn't enough for some people and that a low handicap status somehow entitles them to a win simply because they are the better player (again don't enter handicap comps if you feel this way) We enter 'handicap competitions' where the winner is not determined on actual ability, sounds like a few have forgotten this
