Will the new 90% handicap difference put you off 4BBB

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Real golfers in this context are those with low handicaps who don't consider any handicap events important.

They probably also consider themselves naked without at least one DMD, and wouldn't even dream of playing without one.

The label is theirs, not mine.

Well I have to say that they are a rather pretentious and conceited bunch if they think that they alone amongst us are 'real' golfers. Having the time, money and a bit of aptitude to get to single figures does not make you any more a 'real' golfer than the rest of us. But hey ho - if that's what they think...

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Well I have to say that they are a rather pretentious and conceited bunch if they think that they alone amongst us are 'real' golfers. Having the time, money and a bit of aptitude to get to single figures does not make you any more a 'real' golfer than the rest of us. But hey ho - if that's what they think...

I don't recall any low HC golfer on here suggest they are "real golfers" and them alone

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I don't recall any low HC golfer on here suggest they are "real golfers" and them alone

I agree - but Duncan suggests that some, or maybe many, low handicappers view themselves that way. Can't say I've come across too many of that view myself - but maybe it's just a view they share between themselves that they don't broadcast to us mere zombies (the unreal)

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I agree - but Duncan suggests that some, or maybe many, low handicappers view themselves that way. Can't say I've come across too many of that view myself - but maybe it's just a view they share between themselves that they don't broadcast to us mere zombies (the unreal)

I certainly don't think that way

I'm no more a real golfer as the 28 HC player and never come across the view or many of the assumptions in Duncan's post

 

[Region3]

Not suggesting anyone in particular because there are far more who don't than do, but I sometimes get the impression that ones that look down on others as not being proper golfers has nothing to do with handicap, but more to do with using long irons, carrying their bag, playing in the cold in summer clothes, never had a lesson, and other such things.

 

[huds1475]

Not suggesting anyone in particular because there are far more who don't than do, but I sometimes get the impression that ones that look down on others as not being proper golfers has nothing to do with handicap, but more to do with using long irons, carrying their bag, playing in the cold in summer clothes, never had a lesson, and other such things.

You forgot wearing loud trousers and not cleaning your balls!!

 

[3565]

I don't recall any low HC golfer on here suggest they are "real golfers" and them alone

I agree, and I think it would be pretty arrogant for a low hc player to even think that and cos of our ability makes us better then the rest, or that we use 1,2,3 irons so we must be better........

 

[Roops]

Back to the original question.....I have already started to consider not bothering to play in 4BBB comps. Two reasons really, the agg of arranging them and the unrealistic handicap system. I have always felt that the current system just doesn't sample players scores often enough. I would like to see every round count.

Classic example this weekend, we played in a 4BBB comp. One of our playing partners is desperate to get cut, he putted out every ball and we signed his card but it could not be accepted as we hadn't announced it before starting. I could understand that if he's trying to add shots to his handicap then fair enough, but to get a cut, makes no sense.

Unrealistic handicaps are the problem and just adding a few more shots to those who get them already is not going to improve the situation.

 

[duncan mackie]

Back to the original question.....I have already started to consider not bothering to play in 4BBB comps. Two reasons really, the agg of arranging them and the unrealistic handicap system. I have always felt that the current system just doesn't sample players scores often enough. I would like to see every round count.

Classic example this weekend, we played in a 4BBB comp. One of our playing partners is desperate to get cut, he putted out every ball and we signed his card but it could not be accepted as we hadn't announced it before starting. I could understand that if he's trying to add shots to his handicap then fair enough, but to get a cut, makes no sense.

Unrealistic handicaps are the problem and just adding a few more shots to those who get them already is not going to improve the situation.

Don't blame the system - just sign (or get him to sign) the supplemental book before going out; it's not difficult.

 

[ger147]

You miss my point. You can make an almighty hash of a hole in a medal and NR on it but it doesn't matter as it will count as a nett double bogey (or blob in stableford terms) so you can still get cut. So why not enter medals as well if you want to get cut?

That's something that I never understand. In Scotland, almost all comps are Medal play, and obviously one blob or horror score means your actual score is wrecked, but your handicap is not. Assuming you're getting a shot on most holes, the worst score you can have which counts towards your handicap is a treble bogey and you move on.

Bearing in mind you're playing against the course with your handicap on the line, I don't understand why people feel under more pressure when it's medal play as opposed to stableford as the effect on your handicap is identical.

 

[Norrin Radd]

Bearing in mind you're playing against the course with your handicap on the line, I don't understand why people feel under more pressure when it's medal play as opposed to stableford as the effect on your handicap is identical.

to me a card in your hand dosent worry me in the slightest ,but a mate of mine who i won our club pairs ko comp in 2014 gets so uptight with a card in his hand he totally gets it wrong and cant hit a shot to save his life.

 

[ger147]

to me a card in your hand dosent worry me in the slightest ,but a mate of mine who i won our club pairs ko comp in 2014 gets so uptight with a card in his hand he totally gets it wrong and cant hit a shot to save his life.

Is that the same for Stabledord as well as Medal play? I understand, for reasons best known to themselves, that some folks really struggle to play in comps i.e. with a card in your hand, but I start to get confused when some folks say they can play in Stablefords but not Medals.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Back to the original question.....I have already started to consider not bothering to play in 4BBB comps. Two reasons really, the agg of arranging them and the unrealistic handicap system. I have always felt that the current system just doesn't sample players scores often enough. I would like to see every round count.

Classic example this weekend, we played in a 4BBB comp. One of our playing partners is desperate to get cut, he putted out every ball and we signed his card but it could not be accepted as we hadn't announced it before starting. I could understand that if he's trying to add shots to his handicap then fair enough, but to get a cut, makes no sense.

Unrealistic handicaps are the problem and just adding a few more shots to those who get them already is not going to improve the situation.

Your pp wasted his time, I tried to do as he did back in April and was told I couldn't use a card from this format;

CONGU rule shown below. One reason why is that your partner can give you advice such as the line of putt.
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* 17.2 The following returns are not acceptable as
* Qualifying Scores:
* (a) Scores returned in any better ball four-ball competition.






Nothing to do with announcing it or not before you start.

 

[Norrin Radd]

Is that the same for Stabledord as well as Medal play? I understand, for reasons best known to themselves, that some folks really struggle to play in comps i.e. with a card in your hand, but I start to get confused when some folks say they can play in Stablefords but not Medals.

pretty much Gerry, he just folds like a cheap suit.
but when we play matchplay of any sort he plays well .i think its because he has someone to cover for his mistakes.plus i think he is a bit on the shy side as his swing isnt in the louis oosthuizen class ,more a furyk type chop at the ball.as our comps are all drawn affairs and not block booking with your mates he ends up playing with people he hardly knows and the jitters start on the first tee.
its a shame as he can play to a good standard when he plays a bounce game with us .

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Why is it high hcp's are always considered the bandits? I know quite a few 8 to 12 hcper's who should all be about 4 shots lower, they just "manage" their rounds...

 

[woody69]

Why is it high hcp's are always considered the bandits? I know quite a few 8 to 12 hcper's who should all be about 4 shots lower, they just "manage" their rounds...

Probably all about perception and the swing in difference. A 20+ handicapper who posts a round of 10 or so below their handicap is seen as the bandit. A 10 who posts a round of 5 below just had a fantastic round.

 

[delc]

Low handicappers tend to have handicaps that are closer to their average scores than high handicappers, because of the way the CONGU system works. Therefore low handicap players still have a slight advantage in matches, even with full handicap difference. I assume that 90% allowance in 4BBB is just working in the same way to even things up a bit.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Probably all about perception and the swing in difference. A 20+ handicapper who posts a round of 10 or so below their handicap is seen as the bandit. A 10 who posts a round of 5 below just had a fantastic round.

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Not perception when I know of a few golfers who are known to "manage" their scores if they are playing too well so cuts don't occur and their hcp stays very comfortable for them.
Then when there's a board comp, or soemthing of worth they shoot 4 to 6 shots under net par.

 

[delc]

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Not perception when I know of a few golfers who are known to "manage" their scores if they are playing too well so cuts don't occur and their hcp stays very comfortable for them.
Then when there's a board comp, or soemthing of worth they shoot 4 to 6 shots under net par.

Think these folk are called 'bandits'. However, in my experience, the vast majority of golfers want to get their handicaps down as far as possible, because that is how their golfing prowess is defined. I even know of a few senior golfers with declining abilities who rarely play in Q comps in order to keep their handicaps down. Sort of reverse bandits if you like! :mmm:

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Think these folk are called 'bandits'. However, in my experience, the vast majority of golfers want to get their handicaps down as far as possible, because that is how their prowess is defined. I even know of a few senior golfers who rarely play in Q comps in order to keep their handicaps down. Sort of reverse bandits if you like!

I agree, they are. I was merely pointing out that it's not just "high hcps" that bandits appear. A bandit is anyone who artificially keeps a handicap higher than they can easily play to.