IanMcC
Well-known member
Found it! Its in your profile. Unfortunately it is a CONGU only handicap cert, so my handicap on this cert is 'N/A'.
WHS & ISV Issues (Please post only if you are a handicap secretary or involved in admin at your club)
- Thread starter Old Skier
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rulefan
Tour Winner
CDH has never held hole by hole data. There has been no requirement for clubs to hold historic data on their ISV systems. Where would the WHS get hole by hole scores from?
Old Skier
Tour Winner
Your right, hopefully they will sort that , actually there is no need, I haven’t used a cert for a few years now, just give my CDH No.
Old Skier
Tour Winner
Our head green keeper is in Portugal and is going to see about putting in a card tomorrow, will be interesting to see what happens.
rulefan
Tour Winner
For the present it has be returned within your own authority area. I don't think the following is in place yet.
How do I return my score at home? From Abroad? Who is responsible for this, and do I need to follow it up?
It is hoped that the technology will be in place to help with the posting of scores at the venue at which you play. This would be automatically processed.
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tnjgb
New member
I may have made an error in my analysis but from what I can see there is an error in the IG Software or England Golf calculation of the WHS Playing Handicap.
The formula for the Playing Handicap is the Course Handicap multiplied by the Handicap Allowance.
The IG software appears to take the ROUNDED Course Handicap (e.g. 15 for an 15.4) and multiplies it by the Handicap Allowance (e.g. 95% for a Stableford) then rounds it, so 15*0.95=14.25 a Playing Handicap of 14.
I think the calculation should be 15.4*0.95=14.63 or a Playing Handicap of 15.
The CONGU document "England Golf Rules of Handicapping" in section 6.1 says about the Course Handicap "the full calculated value is retained and rounding occurs only AFTER the Playing Handicap calculation."
Can anyone confirm what I think or show me where I have misunderstood?
The formula for the Playing Handicap is the Course Handicap multiplied by the Handicap Allowance.
The IG software appears to take the ROUNDED Course Handicap (e.g. 15 for an 15.4) and multiplies it by the Handicap Allowance (e.g. 95% for a Stableford) then rounds it, so 15*0.95=14.25 a Playing Handicap of 14.
I think the calculation should be 15.4*0.95=14.63 or a Playing Handicap of 15.
The CONGU document "England Golf Rules of Handicapping" in section 6.1 says about the Course Handicap "the full calculated value is retained and rounding occurs only AFTER the Playing Handicap calculation."
Can anyone confirm what I think or show me where I have misunderstood?
IanMcC
Well-known member
rulefan
Tour Winner
England Golf has said
"Most players wont know what that (ie decimal value of CH) is without a calculator so we are saying use the course handicap value from the chart and then take the allowance"
Maybe IG or the other ISVs haven't been told yet.
IanMcC
Well-known member
Does anyone know how we now check for bandits at open comps who come from another country? I live and play in Wales, and we get lots of English and a few Scots playing in our Open comps. I used to be able to use CDH Lookup on ClubV1 or the CDH database on GolfBox. Golfbox is gone, ClubV1 only recognises Welsh numbers, and my WHS dashboard also will not look outside Wales. Only this Summer I had to DQ a pair of Liverpudlian lads. One had a handicap, the other 'just put down 16'.
nickjdavis
Head Pro
(Handicapmaster user)
Sorry...by interpreting my post as two separate points (and only quoting half my post) you have you managed to miss the point.
My whole post was about the first 3 cards for handicap not being included in a players WHS scoring record. What I was doing was pointing out that the historical data in the WHS has no hole by hole score data (because it was never part of the CDH data) and has only imported the gross adjusted score for a players rounds. If the adjusted gross score is the only "score element" that was imported....why is it that the adjusted gross scores for initial cards for handicap were not included in the upload.....what made it so difficult for them to import those scores as well?
Sorry...by interpreting my post as two separate points (and only quoting half my post) you have you managed to miss the point.
My whole post was about the first 3 cards for handicap not being included in a players WHS scoring record. What I was doing was pointing out that the historical data in the WHS has no hole by hole score data (because it was never part of the CDH data) and has only imported the gross adjusted score for a players rounds. If the adjusted gross score is the only "score element" that was imported....why is it that the adjusted gross scores for initial cards for handicap were not included in the upload.....what made it so difficult for them to import those scores as well?
Jimbof
Newbie
The main reason that many initial cards for handicap were not uploaded to the CDH is that the ISV software in many instances simply did not upload those scores despite being asked to do so.
nickjdavis
Head Pro
The scores in the WHS were not imported from the ISV software. They were imported from the CDH.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
England Wales and Ireland have gone for rounding of Course Handicap before applying the equation for Playing Handicap
Scotland have not.
See guidance on the Rules section G6-2a
Jimbof
Newbie
I meant that the ISV software did not upload the Inital Handicap Scores to the CDH in the first place, hence they are not there for transition to WHS.
rulefan
Tour Winner
Yes. Only the Initial Handicap Allocation is in the CDH
nickjdavis
Head Pro
Well our ISV must have done because I can clearly see my players scores for initial handicap in the old CDH.....here are just two examples of many new members from across this summer.
tnjgb
New member
Thanks I had not seen that advice (https://www.congu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/WHSDocs/Handicapping-Advice.pdf), it seems to go against what CONGU originally said.
nickjdavis
Head Pro
Has anyone entered any scores (e.g comp results, supplementaries or cards for handicap) since we went live?
We've added a new player and put his cards in for initial handicap but don't seem to be able to upload them to the WHS...either by forcing it or via automatic upload. Likewise we've modified a couple of players details and they havent gone to the WHS either.
This is using HandicapMaster.
We've added a new player and put his cards in for initial handicap but don't seem to be able to upload them to the WHS...either by forcing it or via automatic upload. Likewise we've modified a couple of players details and they havent gone to the WHS either.
This is using HandicapMaster.
mikejohnchapman
Challenge Tour Pro
Is it safe to post scores yet?
The individual handicap indexes are still moving around and certainly on Club V1 several differ from the EG Platform.
The individual handicap indexes are still moving around and certainly on Club V1 several differ from the EG Platform.
rosecott
Money List Winner
Also using Handicapmaster. We ran a "counting competition" yesterday. I had a minor issue with 2 Away players coming up as no handicap available - their club was on V1. This morning I was able to add their scores and finalise the competition. As I understand it, Handicapmaster are uploading to WHS in the background on a constant basis. As I only finalised the competition this morning, I assume the handicap adjustments won't happen until midnight.
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