clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
I get your point but can’t agree.
so club history stopped when WHS started.
WHS doesn't work
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so club history stopped when WHS started.
MiurasFan
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I've no problem that you disagree. My view also applied to Congu handicapping.
2blue
Journeyman Pro
WHS has been a, long-awaited, revelation for us.
As getting a H/cap on a pretty benign, easy course our H/caps were rather 'soft' under CONGU.
Playing against other 11 H/cappers on their N Leeds courses, off the Whites, they could get to most of their 430yd par 4's in regulation whereas I was 30 to 40 yds short... this happened repeatedly.
Now under WHS all their slopes are must greater, and whilst I still can't reach their greens, I am far more competitive overall due to receiving a few more shots.
Also, for many years, playing in the Leeds & District Union events we never got anywhere near the prizes. However, WHS has now made our Club members far more competitive over the same courses. Yes, you've still got to get 45 to 47pts to win as the fields are large, but just last year my partner & I won Leeds Union B/Ball Championship at Moortown with 110 pairs in the field. Won on count-back with 43pts over 17 holes as their 15th was been remodeled. Further success in several team events proves to me the value of WHS.
OK, so we've still got some silly scores coming in on the Home course but then that was always so as we have 30 to 40 new H/cap starters each year.
I think we just have to accept that no system is perfect
As getting a H/cap on a pretty benign, easy course our H/caps were rather 'soft' under CONGU.
Playing against other 11 H/cappers on their N Leeds courses, off the Whites, they could get to most of their 430yd par 4's in regulation whereas I was 30 to 40 yds short... this happened repeatedly.
Now under WHS all their slopes are must greater, and whilst I still can't reach their greens, I am far more competitive overall due to receiving a few more shots.
Also, for many years, playing in the Leeds & District Union events we never got anywhere near the prizes. However, WHS has now made our Club members far more competitive over the same courses. Yes, you've still got to get 45 to 47pts to win as the fields are large, but just last year my partner & I won Leeds Union B/Ball Championship at Moortown with 110 pairs in the field. Won on count-back with 43pts over 17 holes as their 15th was been remodeled. Further success in several team events proves to me the value of WHS.
OK, so we've still got some silly scores coming in on the Home course but then that was always so as we have 30 to 40 new H/cap starters each year.
I think we just have to accept that no system is perfect
MiurasFan
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To me, that would suggest that one of the following... Either SSS was either too low at your course; SSS was too high at other courses; a combo of both; your course is markedly different (short but tight) compared to others in the area.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
What is a Cat 1 golfer?
AussieKB
Well-known member
A rare breed.....going to become extinct if they want to win a nett event.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
My comment about all of this is how many players were really putting in sufficient cards (20+ a year) to have a handicap that truly reflected their ability so they could be judged properly at the annual review.
e.g I knew of several low handicap players where I play that hardly ever put in cards outside of regional or national events and a quite a few high handicappers that were stuck at 28 prior to the 54 coming in pre WHS.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
It was an ironic question (There are no Categories any more).
Teebs
Newbie
Do you need to enter a certain number of cards per year to effectively 'keep' your handicap?
rulefan
Tour Winner
Moortown's two longest are rated 75/141 & 74/140 whilst 2blue's are I believe 72/135 & 70/131. A good few strokes.
Having played both a few times, they feel right relatively.
AussieKB
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Wish people would stop calling it the World Handicap System as every Country has a different version, would love to hear a few suggestions on what it should be called.
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MiurasFan
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I can still remember the expression '(Club Name) handicaps travel well' being applied to some clubs way before WHS was even considered.
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clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
Be a few of us banned I think if we answer that.!What, and risk a ban??
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
UHS not perfect but better than this pile of
RichA
Well-known member
Our club must be an outlier, because WHS seems to work OK.
So far this year, there have been 5 individual Stableford comps. Winning handicaps were 7, 7, 15, 11, 16. The highest score across all comps was 37 by a 7 handicap.
The Winter Texas Scramble was won by a team with a low, mid and high handicap player, scoring net -10 with a team handicap of 6.
So far this year, there have been 5 individual Stableford comps. Winning handicaps were 7, 7, 15, 11, 16. The highest score across all comps was 37 by a 7 handicap.
The Winter Texas Scramble was won by a team with a low, mid and high handicap player, scoring net -10 with a team handicap of 6.
JonnyGutteridge
Newbie
I played in a league last year which has 7 local clubs in. There were 21 matches and the home team won 19 of them.
They used to allow a courtesy shot for visiting teams which was removed when WHS came in. However from analysis of the last year results it looks more like 2 courtesy shots should be given.
No one’s handicap seems to travel well these days!
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
I don't think you do
However, clubs can impose restrictions on entry to comps - must have 3,6,9 etc qualifying cards in the previous 12 months..
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
IMHO it’s not just WHS at my club that’s caused the big scores.
The club had quite a few new players join.
They have completely butchered the rough for pace of play.
They also cut off every branch on the trees up to 10’ so you can swing in the trees.
so a scratch player who hits a lot of fairways the course hasn’t changed.
But a player who misses every fairway can hit a 3 wood from the “ rough” and the trees.
I have heard players say” I need to get a few shots back to compete”
WHS let’s them do that much easier than the old system did ,, That’s the problem for me it’s to easy to manipulate if that way inclined.
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Swango1980
Well-known member
Interesting. Not related to WHS, but beginning g to wonder if my club are doing the same. On 2nd hole there was a lot of heather and bushes to left of fairway. Pull a driver, you are in big trouble. No bail out right either, as there are big trees. So, you risk hitting a driver and leaving a wedge in to the green, or hit iron off tee (so if pulled, should still be OK), but leaving yourself 170-200 yards to green. This winter, the green staff have taken out pretty much all the trouble on the left, so a player can just tonk driver and not worry so much if they go left at all. On 14th, a par 3, there was a bunker (maybe our signature bunker) left of green, with a face about 6ft high. It was steep, but slopped enough that it shouldn't really be an issue. This winter, they've ripped it out, and flattened it, so the face is now going to be about 6 inches to a foot. I've heard that this was done because a few seniors didn't like the high face, though not sure how true that is.
But, yes, it does feel like the club are doing things to make the course easier. Perhaps to improve pace of play, although rounds always appear quicker at my club than the last one. 4 balls are often easily under 4 hours (3hr 30 yesterday), and 3 ball comps not much over 3 hours. At my last club, a short course, rounds could be upwards of 4hrs 30 minutes. Some very slow players, and silly hedges and rough bordering fairways.
