Who is going to win the premiership title.

[Papas1982]

There is a fundamental difference between LFC, it's fans and other clubs. Not all other clubs but some that have been mentioned on here.
A friend of mine supports another PL club ( I won't mention which one) and we have had an argument about who the players play for.
For me as an LFC supporter our players play for the club, what the club stands for and for the fans. He maintains they don't, they play for the manager. I asked if the players play for the manager why have so many stayed after the manager has left and why do so many of them kiss the badge on their shirt when they score a goal? Why have Terry and Lampard (oops did I give it away!) not leave the club for far more lucrative deals when they had the chance?
You have the likes of City and Chavski who have spend ridiculous amounts of money on players but that is all they are, players but not a team. Both teams have far too many egos to be able to gel them as a fully functioning team.
Last year Aberdeen won the Scottish cup final and had 100,000 fans turn out for the teams parade of the cup. Chelsea won the CL and had 75,000 fans turn out to see their team with the most prestigious trophy in European club football. LFC had over 600,000 fans line the streets for our win in Istambul in 05 (and I was there!).
Why?
Because for most LFC fans it goes beyond just watching the game or buying a shirt we are one big family with a passion which in turn rubs off on the players who don't feel it's a right to wear the shirt but an honour to wear.
We have one of the best strikers in the world on current form who is more than happy to play a ball to a 19 year old hot shot to guarantee getting the goal rather than taking on every shot as if it's his right being a striker. The whole team play the same way with very few squabbles on the pitch and all the team put in a shift at each match. You rarely see that from the entire City or Chelsea squad.

i agreed with certain points, the fans celebrating in the streets is difficult for me to fathom. For a start, Liverpool are a bigger club, fan base certainly than Chelsea so I'd expect more fans to be there. Also, didn't the parade for Chelsea occur whilst the match going fans at least were still on route home due to scheduling in London for parade?

also, saints fc actually hold a record for the largest number of one set of fans at a match in the new wembley. St Johnstone a cup we room 44k. But I don't think that means we're the best fans ever, just it had been so long that we would take any trophy.

The he kissing the badge thing! Really? I've seen Alan Smith Kiss a Leeds badge followed by a Man U badge. That doesnt mean a thing to me I'm afraid.

The he point about Suarez, to be fair he'll put a shift in for anyone. His ability has certainly improved at lfc, but he plays as passionately for you as he does Uruguay and did Ajax. And would have arsenal or whoever if he'd left this year.

But it the bit I find strange is that you query Chelsea players commitment. I'm not gonna say their business model is the best of worst, that's for all to decide. But I've seen as much commitment in John Terry as I have in any lfc player.

Were they not commitment when they finally one the cl? Or when JT was knocked out in the little league cup?

this for me is what I'm talking about, Liverpool fc to the fans is the centre of their world. I get that, nothing wrong with that at all. But to think the players (homegrown aside) play for you for the same reasons doesn't wash. Granted there is an allure with your history, like there is for UTD. But to say that a player plays for you because of there love of the club, really?

What at does that say about any player that's ever left you? Were they faking their love whilst there?

How many times did Owen kiss the Liverpool badge, 100 times, 200 hundred times. Must of hurt to see him in a UTD shirt. How can a player, play for the club and all that then sign for the biggest rivals.
Probably because players play for titles not clubs......

 

[Foxholer]

Not sure how to take that! :mmm:

I'm on TLW and the arguments over this have raged for years. Most, if not all, from Liverpool don't want one with most from the rest of the country not wanting one either but some foreign supporters have wanted success at all cost without truly understanding the meaning it has to be a fan of LFC to many of us.

This sort of statement always makes me laugh and be a bit sad - for such fans and Society in general

The recent rise of the Blue teams, the current virtual reversal of status of the 2 Red teams, and the attitudes of their respective fans, demonstrates, to me at least, that fans of 'similar level' teams are pretty much the same whatever team they support.

There is nothing particularly special/unique about Liverpool or Man U or any other. The same extreme attitudes - arrogance, derision, hatred, blinkeredness etc can be applied equally to all of in any particular situation. There may be slight differences in how they are expressed, but basically you are all the same.

This 'Liverpool Way' or 'Manchester United Way' is all a load of baloney and Marketing/Bonding codswallop latched onto as another income stream by the Clubs.

And how many MRI Scanners, that players seem to have no trouble getting access to if injured but mere mortals have to queue for weeks/months for, would a middling player's weekly wage (or £20M 'worth') pay for? Obscene numbers!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

This sort of statement always makes me laugh and be a bit sad - for such fans and Society in general

The recent rise of the Blue teams, the current virtual reversal of status of the 2 Red teams, and the attitudes of their respective fans, demonstrates, to me at least, that fans of 'similar level' teams are pretty much the same whatever team they support.

There is nothing particularly special/unique about Liverpool or Man U or any other. The same extreme attitudes - arrogance, derision, hatred, blinkeredness etc can be applied equally to all of in any particular situation. There may be slight differences in how they are expressed, but basically you are all the same.

This 'Liverpool Way' or 'Manchester United Way' is all a load of baloney and Marketing/Bonding codswallop latched onto as another income stream by the Clubs.

And how many MRI Scanners, that players seem to have no trouble getting access to if injured but mere mortals have to queue for weeks/months for, would a middling player's weekly wage (or £20M 'worth') pay for? Obscene numbers!

Can i ask which team is it you support

 

[Foxholer]

Can i ask which team is it you support

Why would that matter?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Why would that matter?

Its just a simple question - which team do you support ?

 

[Papas1982]

Why would that matter?

So he can decide which fault your club has instead of accept your point of view.

 

[Foxholer]

Its just a simple question - which team do you support ?

As was mine!

Why do you want to know?

What's your Fantasy Football League team name btw?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So he can decide which fault your club has instead of accept your point of view.

Actually wrong so lets be quiet with the little jibes shall we

Its quite simple

How can someone suggest " The Liverpool Way " is down to marketing when it has been around for decades - how cna someone judge how certain feel and act unless they are fans of that club.

To suggest its down to money suggests someone who doesnt have a clue about passion in supporting a football club or even any sporting club.

I have witnessed personally first hand how exactly special "The Liverpool Way" is

And Foxholer i will just point you in the way of any memorial service for Hillsborough to show you exactly how special "The Liverpool Way" is

 

[Foxholer]

So he can decide which fault your club has instead of accept your point of view.

Harsh!

But probably true!

Wouldn't answer the question either, but no change there!:rofl:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Harsh!

But probably true!

Wouldn't answer the question either, but no change there!:rofl:

Answered the question above

If you want to know how special "The Liverpool way" then ask any of the families from the 96 or the people of the city and they will tell you how special "The Liverpool Way" is

Either you are on a deliberate wind up or you really dont understand what it is to have a football club be a major part of your life

 

[Papas1982]

Actually wrong so lets be quiet with the little jibes shall we

Its quite simple

How can someone suggest " The Liverpool Way " is down to marketing when it has been around for decades - how cna someone judge how certain feel and act unless they are fans of that club.

To suggest its down to money suggests someone who doesnt have a clue about passion in supporting a football club or even any sporting club.

I have witnessed personally first hand how exactly special "The Liverpool Way" is

And Foxholer i will just point you in the way of any memorial service for Hillsborough to show you exactly how special "The Liverpool Way" is

oh oh wipe ya eyes mate, you like to lay plenty of barbs yaself. If answer was that simple you would have given it without my needle.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

oh oh wipe ya eyes mate, you like to lay plenty of barbs yaself. If answer was that simple you would have given it without my needle.

I asked a simple question about which team person supports - instead of answering it he deflects it with asking another question

Its normal diversion tactics.

 

[Papas1982]

Answered the question above

If you want to know how special "The Liverpool way" then ask any of the families from the 96 or the people of the city and they will tell you how special "The Liverpool Way" is

Either you are on a deliberate wind up or you really dont understand what it is to have a football club be a major part of your life

oh for crying out loud!! Hillsborough now? Really? So that's what makes Liverpool, liverpool? First it's the city against England, then it's the players love for the club and news it's hillsborough. Make your mind up folks.

****this is not a slight on the event in the slightest! it was a tragedy as I've said in previous posts when subject was spoken about.

Simply pointing out how the goalposts are constantly moving.

Phol il from now on I'll follow fish's lead and ignore your posts.

Feel free to do the same, or not.

Not it bothered either way, enjoy yourself in you glass house with thise tinted glasses mate. All the way in Leighton buzzed! The hub of all Liverpool fans with tour finger on the pulse!

 

[Foxholer]

Actually wrong so lets be quiet with the little jibes shall we

Its quite simple

How can someone suggest " The Liverpool Way " is down to marketing when it has been around for decades - how cna someone judge how certain feel and act unless they are fans of that club.

To suggest its down to money suggests someone who doesnt have a clue about passion in supporting a football club or even any sporting club.

I have witnessed personally first hand how exactly special "The Liverpool Way" is

And Foxholer i will just point you in the way of any memorial service for Hillsborough to show you exactly how special "The Liverpool Way" is

Proving the marketing works - fully indoctrinated!

And without trying to denigrate the disaster and subsequent events... but for a 'roll of the dice' it may well have been the other side of the village that had that disaster. Unfortunately, there have been other Football disasters too. Juventus fans remember one in particular! Was that 'The Liverpool way' too? Liverpool isn't the only Club that has had disasters either, ManU and Bradford spring to mind.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

oh for crying out loud!! Hillsborough now? Really? So that's what makes Liverpool, liverpool? First it's the city against England, then it's the players love for the club and news it's hillsborough. Make your mind up folks.

****this is not a slight on the event in the slightest! it was a tragedy as I've said in previous posts when subject was spoken about.

Simply pointing out how the goalposts are constantly moving.

Phol il from now on I'll follow fish's lead and ignore your posts.

Feel free to do the same, or not.

Not it bothered either way, enjoy yourself in you glass house with thise tinted glasses mate. All the way in Leighton buzzed! The hub of all Liverpool fans with tour finger on the pulse!

The Liverpool Way or the way we feel about our club is a combination of everything that has been mentioned and yes Hillsborough is a mssive part of both my club and the city

You have a rather unhealthy obsession with Liverpool possibly - maybe you dont feel that connection with your own club

But when people slate our support or club then we will fight against that and defend it to the hilt

We think our connection and support is special - because it feels special to us

The fact i now live in Leighton Buzzard because of my work is meaningless and is just a cheap dig whilst throwing the teddies out of the cot because you dont like the answers.

If you question my club and my support then make sure you are prepared for the answers.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Proving the marketing works - fully indoctrinated!

And without trying to denigrate the disaster and subsequent events... but for a 'roll of the dice' it may well have been the other side of the village that had that disaster. Unfortunately, there have been other Football disasters too. Juventus fans remember one in particular! Was that 'The Liverpool way' too? Liverpool isn't the only Club that has had disasters either, ManU and Bradford spring to mind.

So i answered your question can you answer mine

Which team do you support

 

[Foxholer]

Answered the question above

No you didn't!

Why should identifying the club I support have any bearing in whether 'the Liverpool Way' is down to marketing or not.

Marketing (and football marketing) has been around for quite a while btw!

I ask a simple question about why the team I support makes 1 iota of difference and all you do is deflect it.

Normal diversion tactics!

So i ask again. what bearing does the team i support have on this discussion?

Have a good noght!:thup:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

No you didn't!

Why should identifying the club I support have any bearing in whether 'the Liverpool Way' is down to marketing or not.

Marketing (and football marketing) has been around for quite a while btw!

I ask a simple question about why the team I support makes 1 iota of difference and all you do is deflect it.

Normal diversion tactics!

Who you support will actually tell me if you actually support a football club or just forming an opinion from a non football fan

I have a feeling that to suggest "The Liverpool Way" is a marketing ploy suggests that you dont really get what it means to support a football club and have it as part of your life for the past 30 plus years and to have it shape your life through the good times and the bad times. To have the saturday afternoons as a place to go to allow you to shut of from the outside world and all its trouble - just for 90 mins each weekend you are let free to feel all the emotions known to man.

Supporting football teams has a lot of meaning for a lot of people and families - its a way of life for some - people travel all over the country and Europe following their team with a passion - its nothing to do with marketing - its a feeling people get when they connect with their club ( any club and not just Liverpool ).

 

[Foxholer]

Who you support will actually tell me if you actually support a football club or just forming an opinion from a non football fan

You are talking drivel!

Why would who I support tell you anything at all - apart from who I support?

What if I said Liverpool! Or Manu? Or Brentford? or Aldershot? Or Sheffield United? Or Leeds? Or Everton? Or Man City? Or Chelsea?

Explain how each, apart from Liverpool, would affect the validity of any comment about the way Football milks the fans and devours their cash! 2 Marks per answer; B+ if all correct; at the moment you are on D-!

And you didn't answer the question about what part of 'The Liverpool Way' Heysel featured in either!

Nor the one about your Fantasy League team name. My you are evasive - and you say I am!

I have a feeling that to suggest "The Liverpool Way" is a marketing ploy suggests that you dont really get what it means to support a football club and have it as part of your life for the past 30 plus years and to have it shape your life through the good times and the bad times. To have the saturday afternoons as a place to go to allow you to shut of from the outside world and all its trouble - just for 90 mins each weekend you are let free to feel all the emotions known to man.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Supporting football teams has a lot of meaning for a lot of people and families - its a way of life for some - people travel all over the country and Europe following their team with a passion - its nothing to do with marketing - its a feeling people get when they connect with their club ( any club and not just Liverpool ).

Yes, i get that.

When was the last time you went to Anfield again?

 

[MadAdey]

Are you lot still arguing? Just got in from work and my Email inbox is full of replies from this thread. I still can't see what the argument is actually about. Fox your nothing but a WUM and Phil you are just playing straight into his hands.

But back to the thread I think Liverpool are almost home and dry now, just a couple of more games to go.