BROOKIE
Challenge Tour Pro
I'll drink to that my friend,a just and trusted view..
Who goes World No.1???
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HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
So by that reckoning Todd Hamilton would be a worthy number 1? It takes one good week to win a major but two good years to get to number 1, how many majors you win along the way is largely irrelevant.
drawboy
Tour Winner
I'm not saying a flash in the pan should be number 1. I'm saying that a number 1 should have the game to win majors Lee Westwood hasn't and he has shown it on numerous occasions, if not he would have won one or two by now, that cannot be denied. Lots of tour pro's finish top ten-twenty week in week out no one calls for them to be number 1. I'm not saying Westwood isn't a phenominal golfer, he is but not in the same league as Tiger or Mickleson. Frankly I don't care how loud folks disagree fact is Westwood will NEVER have the record that Tiger has and I can't see him winning a major.
BROOKIE
Challenge Tour Pro
"stop press",Tigers joining the womans tour -its the only way he can his kids.
HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
To be fair, I was using an extreme example to make my point, and if I'm honest, I personally don't think Westwood has the game to win a major although I may be proved wrong but no-one in the current crop will have the record Tiger has, he's a unique talent that no-one can compare too.
I kind of agree with your point to an extent, it would be nice if the no.1 picked up a major or 2 along the way. However, for the time being at least, I see a lot of very talented guys all capable of winning majors but none stand out enough to do it on a regular basis. The way the world rankings are calculated, being consistently top 10 is always going to accumulate more points than winning and then finishing 30th 3 weeks on the spin. Two many of the current crop are too inconsistent week in week out to get to the top by winning majors. When Tiger is at his peak he knows if he plays well he wins, he was and may still be head and shoulders above everyone else in the field.
However, Donald has at least won a WGC event and was a double bogey away from winning the masters.
drawboy
Tour Winner
Hawkeye, at last the voice of reason, you are the only on here that can see my point. Thanks for that mate. I may be wrong on this but I liken it to your club champ getting it 'cos he has had more top tens in the years comps than anyone else, would that be acceptable?
HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
I don't think you can take anything away from those who get to number 1. Being consistently at the top of your game for two years is no mean feat. If you drop a major in there, which Kaymer has done, or a WGC event as Donald has, if he gets there, then I think you have to say they've got the calibre to be no.1. But your analogy isn't a bad one and I wonder how much the players really worry about the rankings?
I'd love to be able to sit here and say Kaymer is the best player in the world, but I can't. Yes he's number 1 but it's not undisputed anymore, not like it was when Tiger was at his peak.
I think we're gonna see the number 1 spot change hands like a hot potato until someone breaks out of the pack and makes it their own.
I'd love to be able to sit here and say Kaymer is the best player in the world, but I can't. Yes he's number 1 but it's not undisputed anymore, not like it was when Tiger was at his peak.
I think we're gonna see the number 1 spot change hands like a hot potato until someone breaks out of the pack and makes it their own.
No
The club champ wins the club champ tourney
The OOM winner is the one with the most consistant results.
And world no 1 is just an OOM for the world.
Different things entirely.
I'm pretty sure that no matter which way you wanted to bias the scoring, so the major winners get more points than the guys with the top 5 finishes, you wouldn't get a satisfactory world no 1 atm.
Woods is no way no 1 and hasn't been for quite a while. That leaves a gap to be filled by, who?
There isn't anyone out there that has a better claim than Westwood and Luke.
BROOKIE
Challenge Tour Pro
If you dont play you dont get points,ask Lee or Luke..
no one has a divine right to live on their past
not even Mr Woods..
no one has a divine right to live on their past
not even Mr Woods..
HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
Did I say they did?
BROOKIE
Challenge Tour Pro
No you did'nt,and I agree with what you say about a gap
being filled,if Luke wins the heritage later on this evening
he's gonna be ranked number 1 and who can say that he doesnt
deserve it,like you I think that mantle will change time and
time again,but surely,a major is just icing on a cake..
being filled,if Luke wins the heritage later on this evening
he's gonna be ranked number 1 and who can say that he doesnt
deserve it,like you I think that mantle will change time and
time again,but surely,a major is just icing on a cake..
Yet again, a decent but unispiring player has come out of the pack to beat the long term leader.
Unlucky Luke - your day will come.
Congrats Lee - World No 1.
Unlucky Luke - your day will come.
Congrats Lee - World No 1.
Just a thought
Westwood is world number 1
Luke took home 1/2 million dollars more than Lee for a weeks work.
I assume both will say they got the best result
Westwood is world number 1
Luke took home 1/2 million dollars more than Lee for a weeks work.
I assume both will say they got the best result
GMan
Hacker
I think it's unfair on Luke Donald to say he's only interested in money, since it was Lee Westwood that received a large appearance fee for just playing in Indonesia.
HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
Just a thought
Westwood is world number 1
Luke took home 1/2 million dollars more than Lee for a weeks work.
I assume both will say they got the best result
Donald doesn't need the money and it will be little consolation for not winning. At this stage of his career, winning is all that matters.
HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
And at the same time single handedly raised the number of ranking points available so he was able to get to no.1. You have to admit that was a clever move on his part.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
And he's acclimsatised for the Ballantine's this week.
Close at the top though - a third of a point between the Top 3.....
Luke and Lee are both playing next week and the Ranking points are looking similar so it's all to play for again...
Close at the top though - a third of a point between the Top 3.....
Luke and Lee are both playing next week and the Ranking points are looking similar so it's all to play for again...
I didn't mean to say Luke was only interested in the money, only that he will argue that is was worth his staying in the States rather than chasing round the globe like Lee.
I think Luke rather fancies his chances against the best in the world right now.
But having failed to take the no 1 spot, he can still look on this week as a decent week's work.
He'll say that being the no 1 is unimportant ( until he gets there ) and that playing against the best in the world is more important.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Priority 1 - Majors
Priority 2 - Winning other Tournaments
Priority 3 - RTD/FedEx
Priority 4 - World No 1
Do 1-3 properly and number 4 will be taken care of anyway...
Priority 2 - Winning other Tournaments
Priority 3 - RTD/FedEx
Priority 4 - World No 1
Do 1-3 properly and number 4 will be taken care of anyway...
