which takes precedence?

[matchplayer]

At the back of our 18th hole is a putting green. Roped off with white rope. To the left is a dropping zone. Behind the putting green is a path and then the clubhouse itself. Local rule on back of card gives relief from all paths/tarmacadam surfaces. Rule 24/2.There is no mention of dropping zone? We assume it is for balls landing on the practise putting green. If a ball rolls through the putting green on to the path, does the player a/. Take relief as per local rule, (requires moving approx 30yards to the left so as to be not nearer the hole) or b/. Use the dropping zone which is 20 yards nearer the pin? PS situation arose at culcabock golf club also known as Inverness golf club.

 

[atticusfinch]

The club is responsible for clearly marking the course. If they do not you cannot supply missing parts. If the DZ rule is not clear you cannot assume it applies. Sounds like a normal rule 24 situation.

 

[Colin L]

Is there any out of bounds beyond the 18th green marked or defined in the local rules?

 

[CliveW]

Hi and welcome. Wouldn't it be better to ask someone at your club?

 

[duncan mackie]

Local rule on back of card gives relief from all paths/tarmacadam surfaces. Rule 24/2.There is no mention of dropping zone?

What do the Local Rules on the notice board say? I would suspect (hope) that clarity will be found there, inc the status of the practice putting green. "Roped of with white ropes" has a lot of potential to confuse.

 

[rulefan]

No one relief option has precedence over another.
If a player is standing on a path and his ball is in GUR, he may take relief from either one or the other at his choice.

In this case, assuming the DZ is specifically for a ball on the putting green and not the path, the player may find he is standing on the path to play a ball on the putting green.
He now has a choice, take relief from the putting green on the DZ or take relief from the path under 24-2.
Of course, taking relief from the path may mean that the npr + 1cl is on the pg. In which case he may now take relief from the pg.

If there is no interference from the pg (you haven't suggested there is), then he simply proceeds under 24-2.

 

[palindromicbob]

No one relief option has precedence over another.
If a player is standing on a path and his ball is in GUR, he may take relief from either one or the other at his choice.

In this case, assuming the DZ is specifically for a ball on the putting green and not the path, the player may find he is standing on the path to play a ball on the putting green.
He now has a choice, take relief from the putting green on the DZ or take relief from the path under 24-2.
Of course, taking relief from the path may mean that the npr + 1cl is on the pg. In which case he may now take relief from the pg.

If there is no interference from the pg (you haven't suggested there is), then he simply proceeds under 24-2.

Can the drop be taken onto the putting green?

 

[Colin L]

The ball is said to be lying on the putting green and there is interference by the path. If you take relief from the path, because your ball is on the green it's not a drop and there is no 1 club length from the NPR: you place your ball at the NPR whether that is on or off the green. Rule 24-2b(iii)

 

[rulefan]

The ball is said to be lying on the putting green and there is interference by the path. If you take relief from the path, because your ball is on the green it's not a drop and there is no 1 club length from the NPR: you place your ball at the NPR whether that is on or off the green. Rule 24-2b(iii)

Coiln
The OP says "a ball rolls through the putting green on to the path, ..."

Can the drop be taken onto the putting green?

Good catch.:clap:

Rule 24-2 says in part
the player must lift the ball and drop it, without penalty, within one club-length of and not nearer thehole than the nearest point of relief. The nearest point of relief must not be in a hazard or on a putting green. When the ball is dropped within one club-length of the nearest point of relief, the ball must first strike a part of the course at a spot that avoids interference by the immovable obstruction and is not in a hazard and not on a putting green.

The penultimate paragraph in my post above was wrong. Oops.

 

[Colin L]

Ah, but I was going by the situation you described in your post.

In this case, assuming the DZ is specifically for a ball on the putting green and not the path, the player may find he is standing on the path to play a ball on the putting green.

Which made you right.

 

[matchplayers]

Colin L:- there is no out of bounds behind the green, unless you hit it 70 feet in the air over the clubhouse?

Clive W:- It was in the semi final of club championship & we had a referee, (committee member-not a qualified ref). Both players agreed it was on the path & therefore NPOR should be decided. However the ref said DZ. Committee, The pro in shop, & head greenkeeper have been made aware. I would suggest a plaque made up for on the putting green, stating Dropping zone is for use of balls lying on the practice putting area only.

 

[Colin L]

Colin L:- there is no out of bounds behind the green, unless you hit it 70 feet in the air over the clubhouse?

So the clubhouse isn't OOB. Excellent. I'll be putting Culcabock on my list of must-play courses. I've always wanted to put Decision 24-2b/14 into effect.


http://www.usga.org/Rule-Books/Rules-of-Golf/Decision-24/#d24-2b-14