Where to drop?

[PhilTheFragger]

Had an interesting one the other day on a society day at Mill Ride

Par 3 over a small lake
Chap hits his drive, ball just clears the lake, pops up and rolls back in.. Plop

He maintains that as the ball hit the other side, it has cleared the lake and he can drop nearest point of relief not nearer the hole.

I maintain that the ball is in the lake and he should drop anywhere along a line from flag to point at which it originally crossed the lake as far back as he wants, but he has to play over the lake for his 3rd shot.

so whos right and whos the know nothing knowitall ?

 

[Imurg]

You're right..





For a change😀

 

[PhilTheFragger]

You're right..





For a change😀

:whoo::whoo:

 

[cookelad]

I think that if it was a yellow hazard you are right but if it was a red hazard then it would depend if it crossed out of the hazard before rolling back in he would be able drop green side.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

pretty sure it was a red hazard, but it did not clear the hazard markers, it literally hit the up slope of the bank just a few inches above the water line and popped up and rolled back in

 

[bobmac]

He maintains that as the ball hit the other side, it has cleared the lake and he can drop nearest point of relief not nearer the hole.

If he dropped on the green side of the lake, he would be nearer the hole

 

[Crow]

Slight correction though, it should be where it last entered the hazard, not where it originally crossed.

 

[atticusfinch]

pretty sure it was a red hazard, but it did not clear the hazard markers, it literally hit the up slope of the bank just a few inches above the water line and popped up and rolled back in

In that case he could also drop two CL from where it last crossed the margin. That may be more beneficial than dropping on the line from the hole. He would also have the opposite margin option, depending on the facts.

 

[atticusfinch]

If he dropped on the green side of the lake, he would be nearer the hole

The not nearer rule refers to the point it last crossed the margin, which can result in dropping on the green side at an angle from that point along the arc from the hole. (Assuming red hazard and rolling across the margin, which did not happen in this case.)

 

[Dellboy]

If its cleared the water hazard then rolled back in, surely he can drop green side as thats where it crossed into the hazard ??

 

[rulefan]

If its cleared the water hazard then rolled back in, surely he can drop green side as thats where it crossed into the hazard ??

Providing it is a lateral water hazard and the drop is not nearer the hole than the last entry point

 

[Imurg]

Had an interesting one the other day on a society day at Mill Ride

Par 3 over a small lake
Chap hits his drive, ball just clears the lake, pops up and rolls back in..

This, to me, indicates an ordinary water hazard, not lateral.
To be lateral it needs to be impossible or impractical to drop behind. You wouldn't have a later WH in front of the green
As the player has just played over the said hazard from the tee it must be a yellow stake hazard, therefore he has to drop behind.

 

[atticusfinch]

This, to me, indicates an ordinary water hazard, not lateral.

Yes and the committee should be chastised, but the player is entitled to play the course as marked.

 

[Old Skier]

This, to me, indicates an ordinary water hazard, not lateral.
To be lateral it needs to be impossible or impractical to drop behind. You wouldn't have a later WH in front of the green
As the player has just played over the said hazard from the tee it must be a yellow stake hazard, therefore he has to drop behind.

Depending on the shape and position of the hazard it can be lateral. It would be up to the committee to determine what kind of hazard it is and mark it accordingly

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Ok to clarify

Ive just had a look at the club website and the flyby of hole 11
the stakes are YELLOW

 

[duncan mackie]

Ok to clarify

Ive just had a look at the club website and the flyby of hole 11
the stakes are YELLOW

Then you are back to the choice of
1. Replay from tee
2. Drop keeping the the point the ball last crossed the margin of the hazard between you and the hole (and outside that hazard!)

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Then you are back to the choice of
1. Replay from tee
2. Drop keeping the the point the ball last crossed the margin of the hazard between you and the hole (and outside that hazard!)

OK and if the ball had cleared the hazard then rolled back in, the same applies???

 

[Imurg]

Yeah. You take the position from where the ball LAST crossed the hazard line

 

[MashieNiblick]

Just to be clear, the Rule specifically states that when invoking option 2 as set out by Duncan for a yellow staked hazard the ball must be dropped behind the hazard (Rule 26-1)

b. Drop a ball behind the water hazard, keeping the point at which the original ball last crossed the margin of the water hazard directly between the hole and the spot on which the ball is dropped, with no limit to how far behind the water hazard the ball may be dropped;​

 

[duncan mackie]

Just to be clear, the Rule specifically states that when invoking option 2 as set out by Duncan for a yellow staked hazard the ball must be dropped behind the hazard (Rule 26-1)

b. Drop a ball behind the water hazard, keeping the point at which the original ball last crossed the margin of the water hazard directly between the hole and the spot on which the ball is dropped, with no limit to how far behind the water hazard the ball may be dropped;​

Just to be even clearer....

It's entirely possible that you won't have to play directly over any water when proceeding under this. It's easy to put together a scenario where you are heading away from the edge of the hazard - but in reality you are always going to have at least the line marking the hazard between you and the flag.