What would you do?

I would play it the same way whether it was a 4 or a 5. Unfortunately that means trying to get on in 2 unless my tee shot isn't long enough.

The 7th at Bearwood Lakes next Monday will be 472yds par 4.

I would take a 5 now if someone was offering it.
 
The 7th at Bearwood Lakes next Monday will be 472yds par 4.

I would take a 5 now if someone was offering it.
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The 7th at BL is probably a harder hole than the one described earlier for this thread. From the whites (about 420 yards), the 7th is probably a 3 wood, ideally a draw, for the better player. From the blacks, the drive looks much tighter and is probably a driver straight at the left of the 2 bunkers visible from the tee. Don't forget the second shot plays longer than the distance due to the slope, and the green is sloped from back to front, so stay below the pin!
 
I would play it the same way whether it was a 4 or a 5. Unfortunately that means trying to get on in 2 unless my tee shot isn't long enough.

The 7th at Bearwood Lakes next Monday will be 472yds par 4.

I would take a 5 now if someone was offering it.
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what an honest reply.

so after a rethink

whats funny is half the reponses from mid teen cappers have all been the ideal way to play it
 
I'm new to all this but I have read Bob Rotella's book 'Golf is not a game of Perfect' and I'd have to say at this early stage I try to stick to many of his mental principles. One of these is not to look at holes as 'birdie holes' or try to look for a certain score beforehand. I would simply take each shot at a time within my means. That would be a long straight drive and each shot from there would depend on where that fell, be it a par 3, 4 or 5.
 
driver straight at the left of the 2 bunkers visible from the tee. Don't forget the second shot plays longer than the distance due to the slope, and the green is sloped from back to front, so stay below the pin!
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That's almost word for word what my notes on the hole say :)

When I played there I 3-putted from the back edge of the green, only about 20' away. I just couldn't aim it far enough left for the break to take it anywhere near the hole and had a 10' putt for my second.
Definitely staying short of the pin if I have any control over it.
 
meady, its amazing how high cappers 25 etc try to par every hole, and if they look at every hole as a bogey, their h/c dropps rapidly.
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I wouldn't limit that to just high h/caps.

The whole point of this thread was to see if players approached the hole differently if it was a par 4 or 5.

Do you think
"this is a tough par 4"
or
"this is an easy par 5"
Just say you scored a 5 and it turned out to be a par 4 would you feel bad? Or if it turned out to be par 5 and you made a 5 would you think ok, thats a par.
After all, how you feel is almost certainly going to affect how you hit the next tee shot, and your next, and your next
 
bobmac, i suppose all in all that would be relevent to how you have played the first and second, and more importantly how you played that hole comkpletely, drop shots duff chips poor bunker shots would have all effected your attitude when your marking the card.
 
Do you think
"this is a tough par 4"
or
"this is an easy par 5"
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Yes thats correct its either a easy par 5 or a hard par 4 - thus I would go 3 Iron, 5 Iron 52deg wedge and hope for a single putt but be well chuffed with a 2 putt and bogey on a hard par 4 (which I assume would be SI 1,2,3,4) so thats a great score.

Either way a simple tee to green solution should leave me with a good score and I would walk off smiling - TBH it is a birdie chance if a par 5 but I just dont go at greens with long Irons - its easier to hit a full wedge and then I have a better chance of a simgle putt. Not much chance of me hitting a good drive then a good 3 Iron to be on in 2 so play my % game.
 
To be fair its not that tough a par 4, straight no OOB no hazards one bunker near the green, yes its longish, but I still think Driver down the middle and have a look at what is left
 
bobmac, i suppose all in all that would be relevent to how you have played the first and second, and more importantly how you played that hole comkpletely, drop shots duff chips poor bunker shots would have all effected your attitude when your marking the card.
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I agree.
But....
A 5 is a 5 is a 5, irrespective if that 5 is a par or bogey.
As some have said, the par should not affect how you play the hole or how you feel on the next tee.
 
Bob, simple really,
Pull the big fella out, take a stance that would make a sumo wrestler soil himself (tell myself to try not to take the skin off the ball), two practice swipes at a fast-ish tempo, actually a third for luck. Then settle with legs wider than Tina Turner herself.

Sooooo, Check alignment is slightly down the right handside fairway, in fact, juicy looking square foot of grass, 2nd dark stripe from the right.
Tell myself, its an easy hole, no danger on this one whatsoever, only trouble ahead is only 470 ahead in front of the green.
(again, don't try to take the skin off it)
Well paced backswing, (fresh from dont take the skin of it thought, all of a sudden, shank, hook, dont send it too far right, s*** "I didnt check the wind", is my alignment actually correct or are my shoulders pointing all over the shop??
OK, Accelerate through the ball to the point Im spinning like the Tasmanian Devil, my right foot has left the grass (and a swing finish that Babe Ruth would have been proud of, where did that come from?), watch the ball climb up the right side of the fairway only for it to violently start veering left, over the fairway, over the rough, onto the parallel fairway which DOES have trouble EVERYWHERE, standing on my tiptoes and pinching the grip with my fingernails, willing the ball to stop on the fairway (cause thats the betterline in you try to tell everyone) only for it to take that one last bounce into the bunker.

Walk up to the ball kicking every blade of grass on the way and arriving at the ball to see it has fried egged in a part of the bunker only Phil Mick could dream of getting out of in one, hang on he was left handed wasnt he? arse.
Decide that any effort is better than tring to play out backwards, fluff it while standing on one leg and ending up with a face full of sand and a ball that has come to rest in the same location it was in just seconds ago, only this time in worse condition.
Another swipe before deciding I should have just played out backwards. I then play it out backwards and skull it into the rough leaving 180 over a bunker. Do a Van De Velde and just about scoop it out of the rough but still miles short of where it should have gone (cos I can hit it like a pro, even when a pro wouldnt even attempt it!)
So stood 100 yards from the green with a flyer of a lie, find the green in 6 not more than 9 feet from the hole, hit the divot location with the wedge like a mad axeman simply because it makes me look like it still wasnt good enough for me, the handicapped pro golfer. 2 easy putts has it in the hole for an 8, now tell me,


where did it all go wrong?
 
How can you tell how you are going to play a hole until you have seen the actuall hole???

Take every shot at a time so regardless of how the hole looked i would want to be in the fairway what club i dont know until i have seen the hole. as for the second shot i would concentrate on that after i had hit my tee shot.
 
With the distance I hit the ball I would be pushing to get to the green in 2 so the safest option would be 4 hybrid off the tee, followed by the same again which would leave about 100 yard left which is about the right distance for my gap wedge. This would cover the distance whilst only using my 2 most reliable clubs. If I had any chance of reaching in 2 then my answer would be different
 
I'd defo hit my driver from the tee. if it ends up in good position i'd take a hybrid out to get it the other 220ish yards and hope it got a good bounce onto the green. If not i'd be happy to have to chip on and hopefully set up an easy 2 putt.

I'd play it like that no matter if it was a par 4 or 5. What par the hole is makes no difference to how far i can hit a ball.

I'd be gutted with a 6.

I've been gutted quite a lot recently :(
 
This also depends on whether you have just parred 1 and 2, or whether you had the more usual start of double double, and need to either get some shots back, or stop giving a monkeys.
 
Bob, simple really,
Pull the big fella out, take a stance that would make a sumo wrestler soil himself (tell myself to try not to take the skin off the ball), two practice swipes at a fast-ish tempo, actually a third for luck. Then settle with legs wider than Tina Turner herself.

Sooooo, Check alignment is slightly down the right handside fairway, in fact, juicy looking square foot of grass, 2nd dark stripe from the right.
Tell myself, its an easy hole, no danger on this one whatsoever, only trouble ahead is only 470 ahead in front of the green.
(again, don't try to take the skin off it)
Well paced backswing, (fresh from dont take the skin of it thought, all of a sudden, shank, hook, dont send it too far right, s*** "I didnt check the wind", is my alignment actually correct or are my shoulders pointing all over the shop??
OK, Accelerate through the ball to the point Im spinning like the Tasmanian Devil, my right foot has left the grass (and a swing finish that Babe Ruth would have been proud of, where did that come from?), watch the ball climb up the right side of the fairway only for it to violently start veering left, over the fairway, over the rough, onto the parallel fairway which DOES have trouble EVERYWHERE, standing on my tiptoes and pinching the grip with my fingernails, willing the ball to stop on the fairway (cause thats the betterline in you try to tell everyone) only for it to take that one last bounce into the bunker.

Walk up to the ball kicking every blade of grass on the way and arriving at the ball to see it has fried egged in a part of the bunker only Phil Mick could dream of getting out of in one, hang on he was left handed wasnt he? arse.
Decide that any effort is better than tring to play out backwards, fluff it while standing on one leg and ending up with a face full of sand and a ball that has come to rest in the same location it was in just seconds ago, only this time in worse condition.
Another swipe before deciding I should have just played out backwards. I then play it out backwards and skull it into the rough leaving 180 over a bunker. Do a Van De Velde and just about scoop it out of the rough but still miles short of where it should have gone (cos I can hit it like a pro, even when a pro wouldnt even attempt it!)
So stood 100 yards from the green with a flyer of a lie, find the green in 6 not more than 9 feet from the hole, hit the divot location with the wedge like a mad axeman simply because it makes me look like it still wasnt good enough for me, the handicapped pro golfer. 2 easy putts has it in the hole for an 8, now tell me,


where did it all go wrong?
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which is actually a very relaistic answer for most...cracking reply lol
 
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