JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
Speak to the people in front then,,, it's probably the 19th and his mates
What does your club do about slow play?
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Speak to the people in front then,,, it's probably the 19th and his mates
19th
Head Pro
Now Region3, don't upset the fellow because he 'knows you know'!!
He knows I am an idiot, he knows that I am so slow on the course due to one offering on here regarding an incident I was party to, he knows the number of shots I take and how quickly I therefore play, and oh, he knows my 'scratch' player is an idiot as well, so knowing the speed of the game behind before they tee off ...he knows that too!
Just don't ever go out in a three ball just in front of JustOne's party of 6 two balls or you will stand on the first fairway for one hour waiting to play in behind them. You see JustOne's rule on etiquette is 'stand aside and let all smaller groups of players through'
If your round then takes six hours?? That's your fault for playing in a group of three/four balls.
To quote a very learned gentleman on this forum .... KNOB!!
He knows I am an idiot, he knows that I am so slow on the course due to one offering on here regarding an incident I was party to, he knows the number of shots I take and how quickly I therefore play, and oh, he knows my 'scratch' player is an idiot as well, so knowing the speed of the game behind before they tee off ...he knows that too!
Just don't ever go out in a three ball just in front of JustOne's party of 6 two balls or you will stand on the first fairway for one hour waiting to play in behind them. You see JustOne's rule on etiquette is 'stand aside and let all smaller groups of players through'
If your round then takes six hours?? That's your fault for playing in a group of three/four balls.
To quote a very learned gentleman on this forum .... KNOB!!
Robobum
Money List Winner
As stated on another thread, the handbags are out early now the dark evenings are setting in. 
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
Can I just add that James is an expert in the field of slow play
john0
Journeyman Pro
This is definitely one of the most interesting threads for a while
JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
I think logic would dictate that if someone catches you up then you simply let them through, if two holes later they are still right there in front of you then you'll know that no one is going anywhere. If however you are (for example) a 3ball and a single is behind then he would have a greater chance of still getting through, even through the people you already let by.
Observation is probably the key (as with motorway driving), if you are on the green putting and you notice a single guy step on the tee 400yds behind you then you should instantly be thinking about letting him through.
Surprisingly enough they often don't even WANT to go through when invited, but at least they were asked..... and that is etiquette, as expected by all golfers.
Observation is probably the key (as with motorway driving), if you are on the green putting and you notice a single guy step on the tee 400yds behind you then you should instantly be thinking about letting him through.
Surprisingly enough they often don't even WANT to go through when invited, but at least they were asked..... and that is etiquette, as expected by all golfers.
john0
Journeyman Pro
Cant belive that im typing this, but totally agree with James here
JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
Not idiot... SELFISH idiot.
That one incident that you refer to shows your attitude to the game and to other players. Your words not mine.
ANYONE who hits another golfers ball into the crap because they failed to invite him through IS an idiot.
Cry all you like, I'm sure you still won't get it and will still have issues letting a 1ball past your 3ball.
Added:
(I do not think it was right for the single player to hit a ball so close to you from the tee, that is a disgusting thing to do, that said, he might not have if he was simply called though. Sounds like your course is full of idiots)
Robobum
Money List Winner
Telling somebody how to react to their/ others slow play is difficult as there are so many variables. But this paragraph fits the bill pretty well.
19th
Head Pro
[quote Sounds like your course is full of idiots)
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I am sure the good people of Nairn will appreciate your opinion of them.
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I am sure the good people of Nairn will appreciate your opinion of them.
JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
...as they do your selfish on course behaviour?..... Yawn.
robbest3offthetee
Tour Rookie
Whats better,I like 19th and I like Justone,theirs only one way to find out...FIIIGHT....
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
Did I ever tell you about this time right, I was playing Walton Heath right, and lost 3 clear holes on the group in front right. OK we weren't being pushed right, but I still felt guilty 'cos we lost three holes right. And it made us late for dinner it did. Everybody else was on their puds and we were on our soup we were.
Did I ever tell you about that? Eh? Eh?
surefire
Challenge Tour Pro
Moving back on topic, I think part of the issue with people not wanting to let others through, is that once a group lets someone behind through, even though that person is faster, they get held up a little.
If it's just one or two groups behind, this is not so bad, but on a full course by the time the group have played through, the next group behind might have come up. So now the group either has to hold someone else up, or let another group through. If this keeps repeating they can be stuck in one place for ages.
This effect is magnified even more if the group is not actually causing the hold up in the first place and is stuck behind other groups.
After my two posts defending slower players, you might think I am a slow player, but I actually play at a moderate speed. I often get caught behind groups and am invited through, but sometimes I am happy just to stay where I am and enjoy my time in the fresh air, especially when I can see there is a big back up.
So whilst not defending slow play, or even fast play, I think it is important to understand both viewpoints, rather than have a 'them v us' attitude.
If it's just one or two groups behind, this is not so bad, but on a full course by the time the group have played through, the next group behind might have come up. So now the group either has to hold someone else up, or let another group through. If this keeps repeating they can be stuck in one place for ages.
This effect is magnified even more if the group is not actually causing the hold up in the first place and is stuck behind other groups.
After my two posts defending slower players, you might think I am a slow player, but I actually play at a moderate speed. I often get caught behind groups and am invited through, but sometimes I am happy just to stay where I am and enjoy my time in the fresh air, especially when I can see there is a big back up.
So whilst not defending slow play, or even fast play, I think it is important to understand both viewpoints, rather than have a 'them v us' attitude.
JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
Of course you are right Surefire, when the course is full the guys who want to play at a million miles per hour should also understand that their selfishness needs a button put on it. Some players (those with a little understanding) do often recognise that there is nowhere to go. It's a fine balance sometimes but this is where the players discression comes into it - and as I posted 2 pages ago - the course marshall should be responsible and do his job properly.
We desperately need a course marshall at my place just to get the women to look behind them sometimes!
Irrespective of what speed players go at, how busy the course is and the rights and wrongs of letting groups through, the question still remains what are clubs doing. Quite clearly in 99% of cases diddly squa it seems. It then begs the question what are members doing. Probably the same but unless members flag it to the powers that be and push for action then we'll all be having the same conversation in five years time. I was going to try and bring it up af our AGM but have left it too late to get it on as an agenda item but think it has to be worth debating with the biggest audience possible under AOB
themill
Newbie
Make sure groups tee off at the correct time, Don't let the next group off until their time 8 minutes later, If the course gets clogged up make pairs join up to become a 4 ball. The types of players who make play slow are:-
Every survey carried out on what the average golfer hates most comes up with SLOW PLAY. All clubs and many golf magazines come up with ways to avoid this curse but slow play is caused by people so I thought I would have a look at the club player who frustrates fellow members – sometimes to the point of suicide. Here are the characters I’ve seen on many courses, even here at Lichfield.
The Slow Driver – This is the player who gets to the tee and decides his partners ought to hear his 5 minute joke/holiday recollections/ life story before they drive off. So just as the group behind come off the previous green they, he and his partners, begin their drives.
The Ambler – This player is a true nature lover and is enjoying his leisurely stroll around the course. He spends an age meticulously putting his head cover back after his shots. He carefully places his club back in his bag and also checks to see if all his other clubs/tees/spare balls/umbrella/clothing and picnic are in the correct place. He then sets off towards his ball but not as the crow flies. He decides to see if he can find anymore ‘Top Flight’ balls as he walks slowly though the rough. He looks in each tree to see if he can see a squirrel or other wildlife. As he passes a water hazard he spots a 1956 ball rotting in the mud. Not having a ball retriever he slowly walks over to his mate, 30 yards away, to borrow his. Eventually he does get to and plays his ball. Unfortunately the wild life he has missed is the two groups behind some of them hanging from the trees.
The Indecisive – We all know and love this character he is the one who when it comes to his turn to play, not when he reaches the ball, considers which club to take. First he pulls out a PW but then works out that 250 yards on his 28 handicap may be a little too far. So he replaces the head cover and puts the club back in the bag. ‘Maybe I could reach with an 8 iron’. Further consideration and decides ‘no I don’t think so’. Again back goes the club in the bag. He’s now been though 5 clubs and is holding a Driver in his hand. ‘What do you think I should use, Bill?’ he finally asks his partner. ‘I don’t really care just hit the bl**dy thing’ Bill thinks but politely suggests just chipping the ball out from behind the tree with a PW.
The 4 ball clubber – This player has generally been a member since Henry Cotton used to play. ‘I joined Seedy Mill because you could join up with other players and form a 4 ball’ is his story. If a 3 ball or 2 ball is behind, loosing their will to live, he refuses to let them through. ‘They should multiple and make a 4 ball,’ he thinks. As for a single player on his own. ‘They should be exterminated. They have no rights whatsoever. The very idea of getting round in under 4 hours. I’ll so '‘em’.
The Male/Female Chauvinist. These players stand firmly behind their gender.
Men Members - We are the dominant species and you women playing behind can’t possibly be that good that we are holding you up so stay behind us –for ever.
Female Members - ‘Our sex has a perfect right to be out here taking as long as we want to play a round’ Emmeline Pankhurst didn’t chain herself to the Parliament railing for nothing.’ I know we each took multiple bogies on the last few holes but there’s no way you are coming through. We will all pretend you are not there’.
The Surveyor– this player has seen Tiger do it so he must follow suit. His ball is on the green 25 yards from the hole so off he goes. First it’s a circumnavigation of the green. Then looking at the slope from the highest point. Then the lowest point. Then the praying mantis hover directly behind the ball. ‘Ah! a worm has made a dropping in the flight path – I must move it. Now I’ve done that something might have changed so I’ll go through the whole process again. Curse I’ve forgotten to put my theodolite in the bag. I’ll have to hang my putter like a wet fish in line with the ball and the pin. I’ve no idea what for but I’ve seen others do it so it must be useful’.
Eventually the putt. The ball stops 5 yards from the hole. The whole process again. After 3 more putts the ball stops on the lip of the hole. ‘Are you going to finish it’? plead his fellow players. No I think I’ll mark it he replies – no point in being hasty.
Helpful Harry – Everyone drives off. Three balls on the fairway one in the rough. Harry’s ball lands on the side of the fairway 50 yards behind and 100 yards to the side of where his colleague ball has disappeared into the rough. So Harry walks to his ball, leaves his trolley there, then meanders over to the rough to help search for his mates ball. After 5 minutes of fruitless searching the player who’s lost the ball says’ ‘forget it, I won’t bother on this hole’ but Harry still keeps looking, after all he has found 6 ‘Top Flight’ and a ‘Donnay’ ball. Eventually Harry also gives in and walks back to his ball dreaming of when he came 5th in a club bogie. Harry is also generally the player who wouldn’t use a Sat Nav. He therefore leaves his trolley by the green at the furthest point from the next tee. After he eventually sinks his putt he ambles back to his trolley, makes out his card and crawls towards the next tee in front of the green he has just left, dreaming of the time he came 10th in a medal.
There are other characters like the one who sees a friend two fairways away and rushes over to discuss the past are ask how his wife is. He has probably seen the same person in the clubhouse half an hour ago but needs to appear friendly. There’s also the player who’s oblivious to his surroundings and never sees or hears the 3 groups waiting on the tee behind them tearing their hair out, screaming and smashing their clubs on the ground.
So that’s it then the players who slow the game down. You perhaps know them, you might even be one of them but in the cause of keeping other players sane please consider improving your speed of play.
Every survey carried out on what the average golfer hates most comes up with SLOW PLAY. All clubs and many golf magazines come up with ways to avoid this curse but slow play is caused by people so I thought I would have a look at the club player who frustrates fellow members – sometimes to the point of suicide. Here are the characters I’ve seen on many courses, even here at Lichfield.
The Slow Driver – This is the player who gets to the tee and decides his partners ought to hear his 5 minute joke/holiday recollections/ life story before they drive off. So just as the group behind come off the previous green they, he and his partners, begin their drives.
The Ambler – This player is a true nature lover and is enjoying his leisurely stroll around the course. He spends an age meticulously putting his head cover back after his shots. He carefully places his club back in his bag and also checks to see if all his other clubs/tees/spare balls/umbrella/clothing and picnic are in the correct place. He then sets off towards his ball but not as the crow flies. He decides to see if he can find anymore ‘Top Flight’ balls as he walks slowly though the rough. He looks in each tree to see if he can see a squirrel or other wildlife. As he passes a water hazard he spots a 1956 ball rotting in the mud. Not having a ball retriever he slowly walks over to his mate, 30 yards away, to borrow his. Eventually he does get to and plays his ball. Unfortunately the wild life he has missed is the two groups behind some of them hanging from the trees.
The Indecisive – We all know and love this character he is the one who when it comes to his turn to play, not when he reaches the ball, considers which club to take. First he pulls out a PW but then works out that 250 yards on his 28 handicap may be a little too far. So he replaces the head cover and puts the club back in the bag. ‘Maybe I could reach with an 8 iron’. Further consideration and decides ‘no I don’t think so’. Again back goes the club in the bag. He’s now been though 5 clubs and is holding a Driver in his hand. ‘What do you think I should use, Bill?’ he finally asks his partner. ‘I don’t really care just hit the bl**dy thing’ Bill thinks but politely suggests just chipping the ball out from behind the tree with a PW.
The 4 ball clubber – This player has generally been a member since Henry Cotton used to play. ‘I joined Seedy Mill because you could join up with other players and form a 4 ball’ is his story. If a 3 ball or 2 ball is behind, loosing their will to live, he refuses to let them through. ‘They should multiple and make a 4 ball,’ he thinks. As for a single player on his own. ‘They should be exterminated. They have no rights whatsoever. The very idea of getting round in under 4 hours. I’ll so '‘em’.
The Male/Female Chauvinist. These players stand firmly behind their gender.
Men Members - We are the dominant species and you women playing behind can’t possibly be that good that we are holding you up so stay behind us –for ever.
Female Members - ‘Our sex has a perfect right to be out here taking as long as we want to play a round’ Emmeline Pankhurst didn’t chain herself to the Parliament railing for nothing.’ I know we each took multiple bogies on the last few holes but there’s no way you are coming through. We will all pretend you are not there’.
The Surveyor– this player has seen Tiger do it so he must follow suit. His ball is on the green 25 yards from the hole so off he goes. First it’s a circumnavigation of the green. Then looking at the slope from the highest point. Then the lowest point. Then the praying mantis hover directly behind the ball. ‘Ah! a worm has made a dropping in the flight path – I must move it. Now I’ve done that something might have changed so I’ll go through the whole process again. Curse I’ve forgotten to put my theodolite in the bag. I’ll have to hang my putter like a wet fish in line with the ball and the pin. I’ve no idea what for but I’ve seen others do it so it must be useful’.
Eventually the putt. The ball stops 5 yards from the hole. The whole process again. After 3 more putts the ball stops on the lip of the hole. ‘Are you going to finish it’? plead his fellow players. No I think I’ll mark it he replies – no point in being hasty.
Helpful Harry – Everyone drives off. Three balls on the fairway one in the rough. Harry’s ball lands on the side of the fairway 50 yards behind and 100 yards to the side of where his colleague ball has disappeared into the rough. So Harry walks to his ball, leaves his trolley there, then meanders over to the rough to help search for his mates ball. After 5 minutes of fruitless searching the player who’s lost the ball says’ ‘forget it, I won’t bother on this hole’ but Harry still keeps looking, after all he has found 6 ‘Top Flight’ and a ‘Donnay’ ball. Eventually Harry also gives in and walks back to his ball dreaming of when he came 5th in a club bogie. Harry is also generally the player who wouldn’t use a Sat Nav. He therefore leaves his trolley by the green at the furthest point from the next tee. After he eventually sinks his putt he ambles back to his trolley, makes out his card and crawls towards the next tee in front of the green he has just left, dreaming of the time he came 10th in a medal.
There are other characters like the one who sees a friend two fairways away and rushes over to discuss the past are ask how his wife is. He has probably seen the same person in the clubhouse half an hour ago but needs to appear friendly. There’s also the player who’s oblivious to his surroundings and never sees or hears the 3 groups waiting on the tee behind them tearing their hair out, screaming and smashing their clubs on the ground.
So that’s it then the players who slow the game down. You perhaps know them, you might even be one of them but in the cause of keeping other players sane please consider improving your speed of play.
JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
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Welcome to the forum. I see you've played with Smiffy already
Very good first post and to a degree very accurate.
viscount17
Money List Winner
some first post, but I do hope you're not in the hyper bracket.
you did miss out the Oh so Social - cannot take a step without company, go to every ball even though they are scattered across the the full width of every hole, then have a full reprise of every shot before they mark the card - usually right next to the green - well they aren't <u>on</u> the green are they.
you did miss out the Oh so Social - cannot take a step without company, go to every ball even though they are scattered across the the full width of every hole, then have a full reprise of every shot before they mark the card - usually right next to the green - well they aren't <u>on</u> the green are they.
