What does Tiger's win say about golf?

[Dan2501]

Also interesting to note that in 2015 Spieth gained 8.5 shots on the field with his approach shots, 7.8 with the putter. Putting is definitely important at Augusta but Spieth won that Masters more with his supreme approach play vs the field rather than his putting. That's in a year where he was holing everything so the SG Putting numbers are going to be higher than normal, despite that he still gained more shots with his approach play.

 

[Grant85]

10th in putting is way better than average my friend

Not for the winner.

Normal tour event - winner averages 8th in SG putting.
Masters - winner averages 10th in SG putting.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Not for the winner.

Normal tour event - winner averages 8th in SG putting.
Masters - winner averages 10th in SG putting.

8th or 10th is only 2 places different!
Besides which, it might only be a fraction different in terms of strokes gained between the two.

Also, average in a normal event is going to be around 75-80th, and the masters 43rd - so 10th is a long way better than average.

 

[Grant85]

8th or 10th is only 2 places different!
Besides which, it might only be a fraction different in terms of strokes gained between the two.

Also, average in a normal event is going to be around 75-80th, and the masters 43rd - so 10th is a long way better than average.

Yes - but it doesn't suggest there is a premium on putting, which was the exact point I was making.

Obviously the winner is going to putt ok.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

So what you're saying is that the winner at Augusta doesn't have to putt well, but on average they do!?!

Rory didn't hole much, couldn't get up & down - didn't compete
Molinari got up & down for fun - did compete

As well as hitting greens in reg', putting is massively important at Augusta (as it is everywhere)

 

[HankMarvin]

So what you're saying is that the winner at Augusta doesn't have to putt well, but on average they do!?!

Rory didn't hole much, couldn't get up & down - didn't compete
Molinari got up & down for fun - did compete

As well as hitting greens in reg', putting is massively important at Augusta (as it is everywhere)

Not sure he knows what he is saying, I think he needs to get out more

 

[Parsaregood]

Not sure he knows what he is saying, I think he needs to get out more

Yeah he tries to come across as applying logic when in reality he's just talking nonsense, before tiger putted very average now he putted ok. 10th in SG putting is very good and obviously way above average for the field otherwise he wouldn't be 10th in strokes gained

 

[Imurg]

Augusta is short.

To be fair, although it's around 7500 yards, the par 5s are generally short...the 2nd is the longest but lots of people were getting on the others in 2, even the 8th which is considerably uphill.
The 13th is, on the card, only 5 yards longer than the 11th and has a similarly tricky 2nd shot into it.
Some of the Par 4s are hefty but the shortish par5s make up for it..

 

[TheDiablo]

Yeah he tries to come across as applying logic when in reality he's just talking nonsense, before tiger putted very average now he putted ok. 10th in SG putting is very good and obviously way above average for the field otherwise he wouldn't be 10th in strokes gained

You haven't read Dan's post properly. It highlights where they expect the winner to rank on various SG categories, prior to the event and based on historical evidence. Nothing to do with Tigers stats.

You have to putt well to win at Augusta, but that applies every week and it statistically is less important than the pga tour average.

Approach play at Augusta is king.

 

[TheDiablo]

8th or 10th is only 2 places different!
Besides which, it might only be a fraction different in terms of strokes gained between the two.

Also, average in a normal event is going to be around 75-80th, and the masters 43rd - so 10th is a long way better than average.

You got the the wrong way round so it actually is the other way to the point you're trying to make. 10th in Masters means youre about 12th percentile in putting. 8th in a full field of 150 puts you in the 5th percentile. So it's a wider gap.

 

[williamalex1]

The Tiger's tail is up, his hackles will also be up, so beware the Tiger is back .

 

[Oddsocks]

For me the message is clear:

For those with fight left in them it’s not over until your toes point to the sky!

 

[Deleted member 1147]

You got the the wrong way round so it actually is the other way to the point you're trying to make. 10th in Masters means youre about 12th percentile in putting. 8th in a full field of 150 puts you in the 5th percentile. So it's a wider gap.

Top 10 is top 10!
No matter how you look at it, if you are top 10 you are one of the best in that particular area.
Manage top 10 in several areas you have a chance to win.

 

[sunshine]

To be fair, although it's around 7500 yards, the par 5s are generally short...the 2nd is the longest but lots of people were getting on the others in 2, even the 8th which is considerably uphill.
The 13th is, on the card, only 5 yards longer than the 11th and has a similarly tricky 2nd shot into it.
Some of the Par 4s are hefty but the shortish par5s make up for it..

However you break it down, it's still a very long course, and with many elevated greens it plays longer than the yardage on the card.

Don't know how anyone could call it short!

 

[sunshine]

On this thread I've read that tiger can only win on wide open courses, that his best chance is on narrow courses, that he does better on long courses, that he only won the masters because it was a short course, his putting matters, his putting doesn't matter, his approaches matter, his wedges are the best , his wedges are average, his driving is wild, his driving is actually pretty reliable now.

All this tells us is that tiger has won on every type of course, and every part of his game has been great and average at different times. He is the most complete golfer ever, capable of winning anywhere and everywhere. Of course, he might never win again.