IanM
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What’s your take on this?
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PJ87
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Little course near me is
£525 a year,
£425 if over 65
£90 a year for under 18s
So the over 65s potentially can play more and pay less .. but no-one complains of pensioners getting discount or kids getting it cheaper
Yorkhacker
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I'm pretty sure that York has offered this deal for females for at least 5 years, so presumably they are still not attracting enough female members. Ladies still get a pretty raw deal at many clubs e.g. Weekday comps rather than weekend comps, so it seems fair to offer them cheaper rates. I'm surprised it is only for the first year.
Wabinez
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It's a basic human right to identify as you chose.
absolutely. I identify anyone who comes up with the argument ”I’ll say I’m a woman’ as a prat
Mel Smooth
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Most recreational sports are more popular with men than women, snooker, fishing, football, cycling - all will be participated more by men that women. There are eceptions of course, horse riding as an example.
If golf appeals to a minority of women, then it's no different to a lot of other sports.
Golf already has the advantage over many other sports in that both men and women can compete fairly in the same competitions, thanks to the different tee options and handicap system.
It doesn't matter if the members are all men, or all women ( a society near me is 75% subscribed by female members), but you cannot discriminate between one or the other with membership structures.
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
Well clearly they can and have. You are entitled to your opinion
It's wrong but your entitled to it.
I honestly believe you should just pay an adult rate whatever that may be once you are over 18.
Its more about affordability.
As a probably bad example, how is it right that if a woman chief executive earns 100k a year pays less than say a train driver on 50k a year.
Its more about affordability.
As a probably bad example, how is it right that if a woman chief executive earns 100k a year pays less than say a train driver on 50k a year.
Mel Smooth
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rulefan
Tour Winner
From the EG Equality Guidance
Can clubs provide discounts to one sex under the ‘Positive Action’ exemption?
Any club which is considering giving discounted membership to women needs to carefully consider the following points;
o Discounts should be a last resort: There are many ways to encourage female representation (see Example Part 1). Discounts are unlikely to be proportionate if a club has any other means of encouraging female representation which is less discriminatory towards men;
o There is always a risk: Even if granting discounts is the only way to encourage female participation it is still risky. A judge may still find that the discriminatory effect caused by the discount outweighs the benefits of the positive action.
Can our club offer discounted membership fees to women in order to encourage female participation?
This is very risky. This policy directly discriminates against prospective and current male members. A club would be far better to use some other method of promoting female membership that is less discriminatory to men. It is possible that discounted membership may be a proportionate means of achieving Positive Action if there is no other practical way of increasing female participation. However, this is not certain and a judge may still decide that the benefits do not outweigh the discriminatory effect against male members.
Can clubs provide discounts to one sex under the ‘Positive Action’ exemption?
Any club which is considering giving discounted membership to women needs to carefully consider the following points;
o Discounts should be a last resort: There are many ways to encourage female representation (see Example Part 1). Discounts are unlikely to be proportionate if a club has any other means of encouraging female representation which is less discriminatory towards men;
o There is always a risk: Even if granting discounts is the only way to encourage female participation it is still risky. A judge may still find that the discriminatory effect caused by the discount outweighs the benefits of the positive action.
Can our club offer discounted membership fees to women in order to encourage female participation?
This is very risky. This policy directly discriminates against prospective and current male members. A club would be far better to use some other method of promoting female membership that is less discriminatory to men. It is possible that discounted membership may be a proportionate means of achieving Positive Action if there is no other practical way of increasing female participation. However, this is not certain and a judge may still decide that the benefits do not outweigh the discriminatory effect against male members.
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
A completely different example. In which over 65s and under 18s get different prices aswell
Are you against them? Or is it just women you are against?
Mel Smooth
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Against women?? I'm argiung for their equality.
So do you think women should get cheaper tickets to watch football, a recreational pastime where male participation outweighs that of females?
KenL
Tour Rookie
A no from me.
I'm all for encouraging more people of any gender into the game but to pay less based on gender is completely wrong IMO.
I'm all for encouraging more people of any gender into the game but to pay less based on gender is completely wrong IMO.
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
I must have missed the part you were for women.. considering you want to disrespect women, trans and the club and pretend to be a women for 1 year to save a few quid.
Mel Smooth
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I was pointing out how ridiculous the policy is.
Let's continue with discounted greenfees based on sex, different competetions based on sex, limited access to the facilities based on sex - and pretend everything is Ok.
Voyager EMH
Slipper Wearing Plucker of Pheasants
Is there a club anywhere that offers discounted rates for people whose woods and irons are more than 40 years old? I think this must be an under-represented group at many golf clubs.
Backache
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Now that really would be mysogynistic.
timd77
Assistant Pro
Comparing discounted season tickets at football matches is a poor example, women aren’t under represented at football matches. Obviously I don’t know the exact numbers and of course more men go than women, but there will be thousands of females at old Trafford every week, same at any football ground. I support another team and I’d say it’s easily 25% women who go.
I think there are 4 female members at my golf club, out of roughly 400 members, so that’s 1%.
I really don’t see why this is an argument. We want a more diverse membership so why not offer deals (in the first year only, by the way) to encourage them to take up the sport? If kids had to pay the same rate as adult men, they wouldn’t join and the game would die out in 20-30 years. This is no different.
PJ87
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Spot on , it's not like it's an on going discount either just an introductory offer to boost take up.
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Excellent idea
Younger women in particular are needed for clubs to thrive
Mel Smooth
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Kids don't earn money, women do - and SHOULD be getting equal pay to their male counterparts. Why do they need to cash incentive to get them to play golf? Wouldn't that discount be better spread across the membership providing cheaper access to everybody?
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