Jamesbrown
Head Pro
Was looking to move clubs and looking at others around me and ones I’d been at before and my previous club has a wide array of categories including cheaper membership for ladies.
What’s your take on this?
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PJ87
Journeyman Pro
Jesus the boomers wont be happy the ladies are cheaper than them
Orikoru
Tour Winner
I've played at a course that had cheaper green fees for ladies.
https://hedsorgolfcourse.co.uk/wp-content/themes/hedsorgolfcourse/pdf/PriceList.pdf
https://hedsorgolfcourse.co.uk/wp-content/themes/hedsorgolfcourse/pdf/PriceList.pdf
Foxholer
Blackballed
Justified by it being a shorter course?
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
CV op
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Nobody ever seems to mind the seniors getting a discount (for the record I don't mind)
Yet normally they have more disposable income, kids left home, can usually play more than the average 7 day member
However that's taken as given but if the ladies or the youth get a discount for whatever reason there's always up roar
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Nobody ever seems to mind the seniors getting a discount (for the record I don't mind)
Yet normally they have more disposable income, kids left home, can usually play more than the average 7 day member
However that's taken as given but if the ladies or the youth get a discount for whatever reason there's always up roar
Orikoru
Tour Winner
Well, one day I hope to be able to take advantage of that myself, however, I don't think I'll be taking advantage of ladies rates at any point.
Courtesy of Gordon Brown’s pension raid a lot of ‘new’ pensioners aren’t as well off as you think. Yes, go back 15 years and you’ll find a number of comfortable pensioners. Nowadays it’s a myth.
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
Is it tho? No childcare costs, normally no mortgage unless they rent .. much more free income..
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
Well, one day I hope to be able to take advantage of that myself, however, I don't think I'll be taking advantage of ladies rates at any point.
If your Mrs wants to join you could lol
Orikoru
Tour Winner
In the list that JamesBrown posted, if you happened to be a 28 year old lady, I wonder if you can choose to pay the cheaper 26-30 rate or whether you have to pay the ladies rate which is 100 more?
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
In the list that JamesBrown posted, if you happened to be a 28 year old lady, I wonder if you can choose to pay the cheaper 26-30 rate or whether you have to pay the ladies rate which is 100 more?
Let's nope open the can of worms people's heads will explode
WGCRider
Newbie
I think you may need a new hat cause your old one is broken.
The club could very easily argue that it is taking steps to increase the number of female members to improve the club for existing members.
If a club had 100 members but only 4 men - would you join? I suspect the mens monthly medal in the January cold would be a really competitive event! If that club then took steps to encourage more male members you're law hat would I assume be going crazy?
Finding more female members makes the existing female section more vibrant - it's win win for everyone. In fact you law hat would have a reasonable argument that the club isn't doing enough for existing female members.
r0wly86
Head Pro
Sorry but the law is the law, intention when it comes to Direct Discrimination is not at issue (unless it is age related) there is no defence to Direct Discrimination. Having a goal of getting more female member is a honourable goal, however treating those of different gender at a disadvantage because of that gender is not permissible and as I said would likely not survive a legal challenge.
The club could very easily argue that it is taking steps to increase the number of female members to improve the club for existing members.
As above that is not an argument for discrimination, when it comes to disability they must take all reasonable steps to prevent a disabled person from being at a disadvantage, but people who are disabled have that alone, women down not get the same treatment. Unless the golf club previously had policies that discriminated against women, it is not their job or role to get the membership more representative of the general population. They are not a public body and there is no wider reason why a golf club should be 50/50.
In fact you law hat would have a reasonable argument that the club isn't doing enough for existing female members.
As above no, that isn't an argument. There is no defence against Direct Discrimination, they could half the fee for all new joiner as an incentive, and try and promote the ladies section and side, but you cannot discriminate against a whole other group to try and encourage women to jon
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Deleted member 15717
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except it is classed as positive action/positive discrimination, so it is a feasible solution. clubs up and down the country will do something similar. I joined one this year that offered an under 40s membership. Is that ageism? Nope, it’s trying to promote a struggling section of the club.
WGCRider
Newbie
The goal is not to have more female members. The goal is to provide a vibrant and active membership for everyone. Without increasing the number of female members I am only providing a vibrant and active membership for half of the genders in the club. You would be discriminating if you didn't take these steps.
r0wly86
Head Pro
that is in relation to indirect discrimination, where there is a defence to discrimination if it is for the wider public good or to achieve a legitimate business aim. Indirect discrimination may be a hiring policy that would see someone less skilled or experienced being offered a job because the have protected characteristic as defined in the Equality Act 2010. The key here is that it is not putting a whole group at a disadvantage, this system of new female joiners paying half that of new male joiners for the same rights and privileges puts a whole group based on gender as a disadvantage so they have been directly discriminated against, to which there is no defence of "positive discrimination"
I have posted above, but age is the only protected characteristic that can have a defence when it comes to direct discrimination
I have posted above, but age is the only protected characteristic that can have a defence when it comes to direct discrimination
r0wly86
Head Pro
No that is not remotely any form of discrimination. A business does not to, in law at least, have to provide an environment that is equal to all. Think of all the single gender gyms etc or for instance every strip club would be closed down because the environment is not equally accessible for all genders.
Discriminations is any treatment that is less favourable based on a protected characteristic. Not taking steps, that would be favourable to certain groups is not itself discrimination
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
The real question is Why is this section struggling..?
Halving the price for the first year and then putting it up to normal rates is a good way of attracting transient members - those who skip from club to club depending on offer availability....especially if there's no joining fee to tie you in for a few years..
The product is, obviously, not attractive enough for women to join..half price makes it cheaper, not necessarily more attractive.
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Deleted member 15717
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who knows….and ultimately, I think the question needs to be who cares too.
there is a lot of outrage from, what I perceive to be, older males on here - and yet it doesn’t affect any of them (unless some are actively looking to join this one club in particular). It’s pretty comical to watch the outrage….and if some are that incensed, they should definitely take up the legal challenge and see where they get
WGCRider
Newbie
Good lawyering. So as long as when I hire people I give everyone the same opportunity what happens afterwards doesn't matter! I don't have to have female or disabled toilets in my building - I don't even need to pay them the same as men. As long as getting through the door is equal.
Is your law practise still in business?
