Water in a bunker

[SammmeBee]

I don't disagree a bunker us a hazard, Foxholer. But taking relief from water and seeing the ball then plug is a little disproportionate. It has always seemed like a double whammy to find yourself in an awful plugged lie, particularly if the ball rolled into water in the first place.

As for divots, this is the sort of rule change many have been asking for for years. In most cases I would say what constitutes a divot is fairly obvious, but as with any ruling, if in doubt seek agreement from playing partners or play it as it lies.

Sorry no - just get on and play it. Can't remember the last time I found a divot on the fairway (maybe found the fairway actually!) anyway....

 

[Foxholer]

I don't disagree a bunker us a hazard, Foxholer. But taking relief from water and seeing the ball then plug is a little disproportionate. It has always seemed like a double whammy to find yourself in an awful plugged lie, particularly if the ball rolled into water in the first place.

How is this a DOUBLE whammy?! Firstly, stay out of them a they are hazards! And then don't complain if you get a sodden lie - that you actually get relief (of a sort) from!

As for the divot relief, the default shouldn't be 'consult your FCs' it should be 'play it a it lies'! I used to be an advocate of the 'relief from fairway divot' but have changed to 'no relief' after considering the wooliness of what constitutes a divot and the delay to play that could occur.

I am, however, in favour of a permanent 'relief from plugged in the rough' (though not a hazard).

As I posted, not necessarily 'fair' but nor is life! Just get on with it!

 

[williamalex1]

If the bunker hasn't been deemed GUR you can take relief from the casual water but the ball must be dropped in the bunker still. If coming out of the bunker then it's a one shot penalty

http://www.golfgrinder.com/rules/rules-of-golf-relief-from-bunkers/

Rule 25-1

If you're taking relief from a bunker under a 1 shot penalty , don't you have to go back to where, as near as possible, your last stroke was played from??

 

[rulefan]

Many clubs, mine included, employ a local rule allowing players to roll a ball one turn from a plugged lie in the rough. I was merely suggesting something similar be allowed in bunkers.

How many other rules does your club invent?
I hope you are not in GB or Europe playing qualifiers.

There is of course a legal Local Rule allowing a ball plugged in the rough to be marked, lifted, cleaned and dropped. Why isn't that used?

 

[virtuocity]

I reckon I hit the same bunker Turkish, but I was in the water.

1. Should have been GUR
2. I tried to play it as it lay and got wet, then picked up
3. I was a little bit upset

 

[Billysboots]

Which page is that in the Rules of Golf? Maybe I missed it......

Why do you need a page number when I've quoted a rule number?!

 

[SammmeBee]

Why do you need a page number when I've quoted a rule number?!

The rolling with your finger rule......

 

[Billysboots]

How many other rules does your club invent?

Plenty. Such as placing in the rough in winter. But all outside of qualifiers and designed to protect the course.

 

[Billysboots]

The rolling with your finger rule......

Since when has every local rule featured in the ROG?

 

[louise_a]

If you're taking relief from a bunker under a 1 shot penalty , don't you have to go back to where, as near as possible, your last stroke was played from??

if its relief from casual water then you must leave the point of entry between the hole and the place you drop but there is no limit however far back from the bunker you drop it. Rule 25-1 b ii b.
If you declare a ball in a bunker unplayable, then you must drop in the bunker or play stroke and distance.

 

[SammmeBee]

Since when has every local rule featured in the ROG?

I think the proper non-made up ones have always featured........

 

[Billysboots]

There's a club local to me which used to have a local rule in winter allowing players to peg it up on the fairway, designed entirely to protect the course. A local rule, outside of qualifiers. I doubt that features prominently in the ROG, and there are doubtless dozens more we could all cite.

If you are Hell bent on splitting hairs, crack on.

 

[williamalex1]

if its relief from casual water then you must leave the point of entry between the hole and the place you drop but there is no limit however far back from the bunker you drop it. Rule 25-1 b ii b.
If you declare a ball in a bunker unplayable, then you must drop in the bunker or play stroke and distance.

The OPs ball wasn't in casual water in the bunker, so his options were play it as it lays, drop further back in the bunker or go back to where last stroke was played from.

 

[louise_a]

I am having a bad day with my replies on this thread.

 

[williamalex1]

I am having a bad day with my replies on this thread.

Could have been worse Louise , at least it wasn't you in the bunker. :thup:

 

[Colin L]

There's a club local to me which used to have a local rule in winter allowing players to peg it up on the fairway, designed entirely to protect the course. A local rule, outside of qualifiers. I doubt that features prominently in the ROG, and there are doubtless dozens more we could all cite.

If you are Hell bent on splitting hairs, crack on.

There are those winter measures which are legitimised by the Rules and there can be other measures which are not. It’s not really splitting hairs to make clear which are which - particularly in a rules forum which people do use in order to find out what is correct.

Your example of allowing teeing up on the fairway is a curious one. That is not sanctioned by the rules and yet there is a measure which arguably protects the course better - fairway mats - which is legitimate.

 

[bobmac]

If you have a problem with the rules on flooded bunkers, dont have a go at the R&A, have a chat with your greens committee.

Bunkers dont 'suddnly' become flooded.

 

[KenL]

A bunker can fill with water over the course of a day. Once a competition has started, can you make a changed to the course by taking a bunker out of play?

 

[rulefan]

Since when has every local rule featured in the ROG?

As there is, in effect, a specification for authorised local rules, the ones that don't satisfy the specification are not authorised.
There are sufficient authorised LRs for virtually all situations encountered, why invent others? The game makes more sense if we all play to the same rules. Otherwise why have any?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

As there is, in effect, a specification for authorised local rules, the ones that don't satisfy the specification are not authorised.
There are sufficient authorised LRs for virtually all situations encountered, why invent others? The game makes more sense if we all play to the same rules. Otherwise why have any?

There is no harm is introducing local rules to protect the course and make it a bit more enjoyable through the winter months during social golf and golf where the HC isnt on the line. Its just common sense.

We also had pick and place throughout the golf course during the winter months.