VVD ................... well done, nice touch.

[Hobbit]

As is trying to spin yourself as the only bloke who knows the ways of the world and painting everybody else as naive. That too is tiresome.

Now stop it! You know he has Jedi powers and can tell from a vid clip if someone is just doing a PR stunt or is genuine. For a small fee he'll give you next weeks lottery numbers too.

Or to quote himself in an earlier post on another thread, in which he admits he's gobsh!te.

 

[chrisd]

Or to quote himself in an earlier post on another thread, in which he admits he's gobsh!te.

Sorry that I missed the only post from him that is accurate

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

It’s sad that you all buy what the media push into you at times.

If VVD actually cared he could’ve done something more private. But instead he waits for the cameras and makes his move.

Think he’d have done it if they’d just conceded a last minute goal to lose? Not a chance.

You might decide that you are going to say words of condolence or support at some point but not now - but just sometimes - when you look the person in the the eyes - you just can't help yourself - your humanity kicks in and impels you do something unplanned and instinctive. Well that's how I'll consider VVD actions. I don't need to know the truth of it, and will simply consider his actions as I see them.

 

[Kellfire]

“I don't need to know the truth of it, and will simply consider his actions as I see them.”

Exactly what I did.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

“I don't need to know the truth of it, and will simply consider his actions as I see them.”

Exactly what I did.

And you saw his actions as nothing but someone looking for good PR , that for me is a sad way to go through life just looking for an angle instead of seeing one person showing a bit of compassion to another person because they lost a loved one. I guess you don’t care about the truth only your view of an incident

As i said is it because he is a footballer or from a rival team or are you just that sort of person to immediately think there must be an angle with any human action.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

“I don't need to know the truth of it, and will simply consider his actions as I see them.”

Exactly what I did.

So when people offer you their sympathies, thoughts and condolences when you lose a loved one you will think they are just doing it to fit in or any other reason other than real sympathy for you?
In case you havent heard everyone passes away and most people, if they're lucky, have to deal with their parents passing after a long life. At some point in life we all have to deal with those sad moments, and anyone that offers suppport and thoughts at that time are always welcomed. It's knowing that everyone has to deal with it(hopefully) that makes us offer our support at those times.

 

[Kellfire]

So when people offer you their sympathies, thoughts and condolences when you lose a loved one you will think they are just doing it to fit in or any other reason other than real sympathy for you?
In case you havent heard everyone passes away and most people, if they're lucky, have to deal with their parents passing after a long life. At some point in life we all have to deal with those sad moments, and anyone that offers suppport and thoughts at that time are always welcomed. It's knowing that everyone has to deal with it(hopefully) that makes us offer our support at those times.

If I knew the person and we had a good relationship, I’d believe their sincerity.

If one of the guys I play six aside against on a Monday night offered me condolences for my mum dying I’d know he didn’t actually care.

I think it’s incredibly naive and borderline immature to think that every apparent act of kindness is altruistic.

 

[Kellfire]

And you saw his actions as nothing but someone looking for good PR , that for me is a sad way to go through life just looking for an angle instead of seeing one person showing a bit of compassion to another person because they lost a loved one. I guess you don’t care about the truth only your view of an incident

As i said is it because he is a footballer or from a rival team or are you just that sort of person to immediately think there must be an angle with any human action.

It’s because he picked such a public, televised moment to do anything. He could’ve done it in private. But he chose not to do that.

 

[chrisd]

Let's just be glad that not everyone has such a poor opinion of human nature.

 

[Kellfire]

Let's just be glad that not everyone has such a poor opinion of human nature.

I don’t have a poor opinion of human nature over all. I think that this was staged by VVD. Simple as that. I’ll say it again - people on here love to take a single opinion and extrapolate it.

Honestly - I’m bloody lovely. But I don’t buy this as a genuine deep moment from the player.

 

[chrisd]

I don’t have a poor opinion of human nature over all. I think that this was staged by VVD. Simple as that. I’ll say it again - people on here love to take a single opinion and extrapolate it.

Honestly - I’m bloody lovely. But I don’t buy this as a genuine deep moment from the player.

Your posts are often very anti everything positive that others post, you don't know VVD but choose to badmouth his action rather than applaud it (or ignore it), I don't accept your posts as anything other than trolling or very sad

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It’s because he picked such a public, televised moment to do anything. He could’ve done it in private. But he chose not to do that.

I very much doubt he “picked” anything - it just happened , it was a momentary reaction when shaking his hand and then seeing him upset. I suspect you would be posted something if he just walked away from him.

VVD didn’t “choose” to do anything - he showed a natural human reaction of compassion to someone who had just lost a parent - it’s called being human and having emotions

All here in the video

If you really think that’s staged and anything more than a human momentary reaction then the conclusions about you ring true

 

[Deleted member 18121]

If one of the guys I play six aside against on a Monday night offered me condolences for my mum dying I’d know he didn’t actually care.

Just out of interest - if this situation did happen what would be your opinion on why he decided to offer condolences?

for me whether someone means it or not holds little weight, but I'd appreciate the gesture for what it is - respect. I wouldnt think they were doing it in the hope that someone else would see and think they were a better person for doing so. That'd be very cynical.

 

[chrisd]

One other point, how would VVD have known that the tv cameras would be on him at that particular few seconds when shook hands with the ref ??

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

It’s because he picked such a public, televised moment to do anything. He could’ve done it in private. But he chose not to do that.

Maybe VVD looked in the guys eyes and saw a sadness - and despite what he might or might not have thought about what he might or might not do - his humanity and compassion kicked in and he just gave the guy a big hug. I do it all the time to relative strangers...it's sometimes just the right thing to do.

BTW - that said - one little aspect of the reporting of this grates ever so slightly - I am not sure that simple acts of kindness and compassion should be extolled as out of the ordinary and fantastically newsworthy - as if something VVD did was something extraordinarily special - it was just, I choose to believe, a simple act of human compassion. It doesn't make VVD special - it makes him human.

 

[chrisd]

Just out of interest - if this situation did happen what would be your opinion on why he decided to offer condolences?

for me whether someone means it or not holds little weight, but I'd appreciate the gesture for what it is - respect. I wouldnt think they were doing it in the hope that someone else would see and think they were a better person for doing so. That'd be very cynical.

If someone I know suffers a bereavement, and I don't know the person who died, it's safe to say that my words are for the living person who I would feel for, especially knowing what they are going through as, like most people, I've been there !

 

[Bunkermagnet]

If I knew the person and we had a good relationship, I’d believe their sincerity.

If one of the guys I play six aside against on a Monday night offered me condolences for my mum dying I’d know he didn’t actually care.

I think it’s incredibly naive and borderline immature to think that every apparent act of kindness is altruistic.

Well at least everyone knows that you wont mean anything you say at moments like that, or from your replies any time an element of human kindness is needed.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Kellfire, I'm afraid you haven't done yourself any favours in this thread

 

[Kellfire]

Well at least everyone knows that you wont mean anything you say at moments like that, or from your replies any time an element of human kindness is needed.

WALOB

It’s the exact opposite. If I do say something you’ll know for sure I’ll mean it because I won’t indulge false platitudes.

 

[Kellfire]

Just out of interest - if this situation did happen what would be your opinion on why he decided to offer condolences?

for me whether someone means it or not holds little weight, but I'd appreciate the gesture for what it is - respect. I wouldnt think they were doing it in the hope that someone else would see and think they were a better person for doing so. That'd be very cynical.

I’d know he was a victim of societal pressures that suggest making false offers of sentiment are a good thing.