VAR - Thoughts

[Deleted member 16999]

I've agreed with you on VAR, but not this one. We are ALL part of the VAR issue, not just the officials. And I mean, the fans, the managers, Sky money, the players, pundits, etc.

If you have subjective decisions then it's impossible to get agreement across all parties. Heaven knows, we've all seen this on this thread!

I mean from the point of view of the decision making process.

 

[doublebogey7]

The whole VAR debate will continue until fans accept that subjective decisions will always be subject to inconsistencies or FIFA take all subjectivity out of the rules.

Was never in favour of it in the first place, partly because I like the vagaries of the human aspect of the referee and I was and remain concerned that it would take away from the live experience.

 

[Piece]

I mean from the point of view of the decision making process.

Oh sorry...

 

[Blue in Munich]

So ManchestVAR United save a point at Goodison. Absolute joke of a decision.

 

[Kellfire]

So ManchestVAR United save a point at Goodison. Absolute joke of a decision.

He had to move out of the way of the ball. That’s being active. I know you’re angry at VAR right now but you’ve got that one dead wrong.

 

[chrisd]

So, why not do VAR like X factor?

Show the incident then we all vote for our flavoured outcome - well it's all silly enough as it is!

 

[Papas1982]

He had to move out of the way of the ball. That’s being active. I know you’re angry at VAR right now but you’ve got that one dead wrong.

lots of players walk back onside and move from a ball in the build up and aren’t deemed active.
Imo De Gea isn’t saving that, not matter whether he’s there or not.

I can see why its disallowed, if decision would have had support.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

???

 

[Blue in Munich]

He had to move out of the way of the ball. That’s being active. I know you’re angry at VAR right now but you’ve got that one dead wrong.

Would that be the ball played towards him by Maguire, the Manchester United player. The Manchester United player who completely wrong footed his own keeper by the deflection. The keeper who despite apparently not being able to see the ball watches it all the way into his net. You think I've got it wrong despite the Manchester United player playing it towards him? Take your red glasses off.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It was very very fortunate -Man Utd got away with that , can see why they disallowed out but can anyone really say De Gea was interfered by Sigurdsson? Nope he was diving to stop the shot he saw all the way and was wrong footed by the deflection.

 

[Fish]

I couldn’t really care less, although an Everton win would be slightly better for us, but the fact is the offside rule states Sigurdsson wasn’t offside.

He doesn’t play the ball. He isn’t obstructing De Gea’s line of sight. He doesn’t stop De Gea from playing the ball.

Opinions don’t matter when no rules were broken!

In these situations everyone talks about grey areas, opinions, open to interpretation etc etc. The rules are the authority and none were broken!

This is exactly why the standard of refereeing in this country is so poor. They all just make it up as they go along each week.

This wasn’t the only awful decision today, by the way. At one point the referee gave a handball and a yellow card because the ball touched Fred’s knee.

That’s the level of officiating we have to put up with, its Pathetic.

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[Deleted member 15344]

I couldn’t really care less, although an Everton win would be slightly better for us, but the fact is the offside rule states Sigurdsson wasn’t offside.

He doesn’t play the ball. He isn’t obstructing De Gea’s line of sight. He doesn’t stop De Gea from playing the ball.

Opinions don’t matter when no rules were broken!

In these situations everyone talks about grey areas, opinions, open to interpretation etc etc. The rules are the authority and none were broken!

This is exactly why the standard of refereeing in this country is so poor. They all just make it up as they go along each week.

This wasn’t the only awful decision today, by the way. At one point the referee gave a handball and a yellow card because the ball touched Fred’s knee.

That’s the level of officiating we have to put up with, its Pathetic.

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http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-11---offside

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preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision “

That’s the line in the law - “clearly” obstructing- was De Gea “clearly” obstructed- can’t see how he was when he was diving for the ball in line with the ball just before it was then deflected.

The officials will be able to get away with by saying he was in line of the ball and the GK when it got deflection

 

[Kellfire]

Would that be the ball played towards him by Maguire, the Manchester United player. The Manchester United player who completely wrong footed his own keeper by the deflection. The keeper who despite apparently not being able to see the ball watches it all the way into his net. You think I've got it wrong despite the Manchester United player playing it towards him? Take your red glasses off.

I’m not wearing red glasses. Stop playing that default card to explain away a clear offside when all things are seen.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I’m not wearing red glasses. Stop playing that default card to explain away a clear offside when all things are seen.

So why wasn’t it given by the Ref or Linesman?

 

[Kellfire]

So why wasn’t it given by the Ref or Linesman?

Because they didn’t have the views VAR did. “All things are seen” was in my post.

If Everton want to complain about anything it’s the fact that they should’ve had a penalty for AWB cleaning Sigurdsson out. That’s why he was on the ground in the first place.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Because they didn’t have the views VAR did. “All things are seen” was in my post.

If Everton want to complain about anything it’s the fact that they should’ve had a penalty for AWB cleaning Sigurdsson out. That’s why he was on the ground in the first place.

Here’s the statement:
Refereeing body Premier League Game Match Officials Limited said in a statement: "The on-field decision was to award the goal, but the VAR advised the referee that Sigurdsson was in an offside position directly in the line of vision of David de Gea and made an obvious action that impacted de Gea's ability to make a save."

De Gea had full view of the ball and was moving to save save the shot, he was then wrong footed by the deflection.

 

[Kellfire]

Here’s the statement:
Refereeing body Premier League Game Match Officials Limited said in a statement: "The on-field decision was to award the goal, but the VAR advised the referee that Sigurdsson was in an offside position directly in the line of vision of David de Gea and made an obvious action that impacted de Gea's ability to make a save."

De Gea had full view of the ball and was moving to save save the shot, he was then wrong footed by the deflection.

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Yea exactly. He can’t assume that Sigurdsson won’t have an impact on the play that’s about to unfold. He’s interfering by being in DDG’s eyeline and he even has to move to get out of the way. Offside. Glad we agree.

 

[rosecott]

You can see quite clearly that Sigurdsson is in an offside position as the ball is about to be struck so he must be considered to be offside. What happens after the ball is struck is irrelevant and doesn't change that.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

You can see quite clearly that Sigurdsson is in an offside position as the ball is about to be struck so he must be considered to be offside. What happens after the ball is struck is irrelevant and doesn't change that.

You can be in an offside position and not interfering with play. The Everton argument is that Sigurdsson has no impact on what happens, DeGea can see clearly and he is going in the other direction anyway. So yes, he is offside but no he does not interfere with play.

Unfortunately for Everton Fergie was standing over the officials at Stockley Park and the goal was overturned.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You can be in an offside position and not interfering with play. The Everton argument is that Sigurdsson has no impact on what happens, DeGea can see clearly and he is going in the other direction anyway. So yes, he is offside but no he does not interfere with play.

Unfortunately for Everton Fergie was standing over the officials at Stockley Park and the goal was overturned.

Letter of the law you could say he is


“ being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision “


He was in the line of vision