VAR - Thoughts

[Blue in Munich]

Agree, it’s about getting the correct outcome from a said situation.

Even on offside decisions, which is clearly defined in the rules, people are complaining and feeling hard done to, when the correct decision is given.

But is it the correct decision? Someone put a link on here that explained that because of the number of frames used & which one is taken, there's up to an 8"/20cm "degree of tolerance". That's error to the rest of us. Which really isn't acceptable when they are then giving offside decisions that are only an inch or two offside. Whilst ignoring people who were indisputably a yard or two offside because it was "a different phase of play."

I'd call it a pig's ear but the RSPCA would probably sue me for defamation.

 

[Swango1980]

Yet more controversy.

Mike Oliver doesn't give red card to Spurs player. VAR referee sees no reason to overturn decision.

About 30 minutes later, during second half, VAR referee, for whatever reason, sends message back that they got it wrong, and should have been a red card.

You'd think if VAR had doubts, they'd have at least asked Mike Oliver to look at screen at the time. That would have seemed sensible, especially as incident was about 3 yards from screen.

 

[Blue in Munich]

3 red cards missed in a week at the same venue. But it’s all straight and above board, isn’t it. Yeah, right. ????

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Stand by, Stand by, dodgy decision at Burnley.

 

[clubchamp98]

Yet more controversy.

Mike Oliver doesn't give red card to Spurs player. VAR referee sees no reason to overturn decision.

About 30 minutes later, during second half, VAR referee, for whatever reason, sends message back that they got it wrong, and should have been a red card.

You'd think if VAR had doubts, they'd have at least asked Mike Oliver to look at screen at the time. That would have seemed sensible, especially as incident was about 3 yards from screen.

I think the refs have got together and delibaretly decided not to look at the screens .
Have only seen two do it.
It’s like a workforce rebelling against a dictat from management
Just can’t understand why they won’t use it .

 

[Blue in Munich]

I think the refs have got together and delibaretly decided not to look at the screens .
Have only seen two do it.
It’s like a workforce rebelling against a dictat from management
Just can’t understand why they won’t use it .

It needs to be made compulsory that the match official looks at the screen. Having got in & seen it on the re-runs it's worse than Maguire's and that was bad enough.

And if the rumours that he can't be retrospectively banned because VAR has already looked at it are true, then that should be the final nail in VAR's coffin.

 

[chrisd]

Not sure how one is a penalty and one not a penalty in the Man City game this evening

 

[Tashyboy]

Stand by, Stand by, dodgy decision at Burnley.

That wouldn’t be the one were I mentioned months ago ( City v Utd ) what would happen if one team should have a penalty, its not given. Then other team goes up other end and scores. VAR then says it’s a penalty and goal is disallowed. Then it all kicked off on here.? nope never saw that coming. ??

 

[HomerJSimpson]

It needs to be made compulsory that the match official looks at the screen. Having got in & seen it on the re-runs it's worse than Maguire's and that was bad enough.

And if the rumours that he can't be retrospectively banned because VAR has already looked at it are true, then that should be the final nail in VAR's coffin.

Bound to be some spin coming out from VAR HQ about why it's still a fantastic system.

I agree that surely the onus is on the referee to look at all the evidence on the screen, assess how that corresponds to his view (and that of the assistants if appropriate) and then make a decision from there. At the moment simply pushing back to VAR officials is ducking the responsibility and VAR isn't up to the job

 

[Blue in Munich]

Bound to be some spin coming out from VAR HQ about why it's still a fantastic system.

I agree that surely the onus is on the referee to look at all the evidence on the screen, assess how that corresponds to his view (and that of the assistants if appropriate) and then make a decision from there. At the moment simply pushing back to VAR officials is ducking the responsibility and VAR isn't up to the job

VAR is supposed to improve the "customer experience". After Monday's "customer experience", and the customer complaints, surely someone somewhere in VAR land must have said "You know, if there's one game where we must get it right today, it's at Stamford Bridge." And then we get that crock of .

Sling it in the bin, it's done.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

VAR is supposed to improve the "customer experience". After Monday's "customer experience", and the customer complaints, surely someone somewhere in VAR land must have said "You know, if there's one game where we must get it right today, it's at Stamford Bridge." And then we get that crock of .

Sling it in the bin, it's done.

I agree but isn't it suppose to be rolled out to other leagues in Europe and even the championship

 

[Deleted member 1740]

The VAR technology isnt the issue, it's the complete and utter retards using it that's the problem.

I've said many times that until we have a better standard of refs, VAR will not make a huge difference.

 

[Blue in Munich]

I agree but isn't it suppose to be rolled out to other leagues in Europe and even the championship

Only place it needs to be rolled is under a bus, preferably with Mike Riley holding it.

 

[Blue in Munich]

The VAR technology isnt the issue, it's the complete and utter retards using it that's the problem.

I've said many times that until we have a better standard of refs, VAR will not make a huge difference.

Fair point Stu; that and a re-write of the offside rules, or at least a decent interpretation of them.

I've heard all the arguments about you're either offside or you're not, you can't be a little bit pregnant, you either are or you aren't. Well, look at it another way; you're either speeding or you're not, but you can be a little bit over the limit and have a sensible application of the law. If we had that with the offside decisions instead of looking at toenails with a system that isn't refined enough to guarantee it's the correct decision then it might get a little bit more support. Was that a clear and obvious error on Monday with GIROUD? The hell it was.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Fair point Stu; that and a re-write of the offside rules, or at least a decent interpretation of them.

I've heard all the arguments about you're either offside or you're not, you can't be a little bit pregnant, you either are or you aren't. Well, look at it another way; you're either speeding or you're not, but you can be a little bit over the limit and have a sensible application of the law. If we had that with the offside decisions instead of looking at toenails with a system that isn't refined enough to guarantee it's the correct decision then it might get a little bit more support. Was that a clear and obvious error on Monday with GIROUD? The hell it was.

A very good analogy there Blue, what we are now seeing is a result of the black and white, matter of fact, rules are rules brigade.

Sky being the main culprit with their over analysing of decisions, 55 different angles, CGI's of incidents and the consistent campaigning for video technology.

 

[ColchesterFC]

The VAR technology isnt the issue, it's the complete and utter retards using it that's the problem.

I've said many times that until we have a better standard of refs, VAR will not make a huge difference.

I think you're being a bit unkind there.





To retards!

 

[pendodave]

I was fortunate enough to watch a game in Spain yesterday (real sociedad). Now, they have VAR in Spain, but at NO point during the game was there a single delay. How does that work??
Maybe they only turn it in when someone scores against Madrid or Barca...
In every respect, the game was far more enjoyable to watch as a spectator than anything I've watched in the UK for years

 

[Swango1980]

Just saw Bournemouth game on Match of the Day.

So, apparently shoulder is handball. Or, it's not. Or, maybe it is. Nope, definitely not. Actually, absolutely no idea anymore. That VAR ref was probably just tossing a coin. Maybe that's what they all do?

 

[Deleted member 1740]

I think you're being a bit unkind there.





To retards!

Apologies to any of the retards on here ??

My actual preferred choice of word would've gave PTF some work to do ?

 

[Tashyboy]

A couple of times I have quoted scenarios that could of happened and have. Here’s another one.

When an occasion happens like the Burnley game Yesterday. The ? Penalty that is awarded by VAR does not come into effect until the whistle is blown for a goal, corner, throw in etc etc. The time for that to happen could be seconds or minutes. Does that
“ dead time“ get added on as injury time. What would happen if that happens in the dying minutes of a game, a game that could be a final. There’s gonna be a riot. The running of VAR in its present format is quite simply a joke.