Use of handicap stableford 19.8 rule to determine winner

[MrsMediumHandicapper]

Our county are proposing the use of handicap stableford rule 19.8 rule to convert medal scores to stableford, to decide the winner of the bronze championship.
I'm a rules novice, but my reading is that this rule should only be used for handicapping purposes, not to determine the winner of a comp.
What do you think?
Thanks

 

[rosecott]

Why don't they just run stablefords? It's pointless calling them medals when they are stablefords.

 

[Foxholer]

Why don't they just run stablefords? It's pointless calling them medals when they are stablefords.

:rofl:

You are absolutely correct though!

 

[rulefan]

Our county are proposing the use of handicap stableford rule 19.8 rule to convert medal scores to stableford, to decide the winner of the bronze championship.
I'm a rules novice, but my reading is that this rule should only be used for handicapping purposes, not to determine the winner of a comp.
What do you think?
Thanks

England Golf have a perfectly satisfactory process. I believe most of the larger counties use it. Why not yours?

15. Decision of Ties
a) Ties for first place in all Championships will be decided by a sudden death play-off over holes to be determined by England Golf, unless otherwise provided in the Conditions of Competition for a particular Championship when General Condition 15b below will apply.
Note: If a play-off involves more than two players, those eliminated will be deemed to have tied for second place, regardless of the order in which they were eliminated, and will receive Second Place vouchers of equal value.

b) If General Condition 15a does not apply, ties for first place and for prizes in all Championships (with the exception in the Note to 15a above or unless otherwise provided in the Conditions of Competition for a particular Championship) will be decided as follows:

i. In a four round Championship, ties shall be decided on the 4th round, then the 3rd round, then the 2nd round and then the 1st round.

ii. In a three round Championship, ties shall be decided on the 3rd round, then the 2nd round and then the 1st round.

iii. In a two round Championship, ties shall be decided on the 2nd round and then the 1st round.

iv. Should that fail to produce a result, ties shall be decided on the last 9, 6, 3 or 1 holes of the last completed round. If a tie still arises it shall be decided on the last 9, 6, 3 or 1 holes of the first nine holes of the last completed round. If a tie still arises, each of the preceding rounds played shall be treated in the same way (taking each round in the reverse order to that in which they were played) until a decision is reached.

v. In the case of a one round event, ties shall be decided on the last 9, 6, 3 or 1 holes of the round. If a tie still arises it shall be decided on the last 9, 6, 3 or 1 holes of the first nine holes of the round.

Further, you could add - If scores are still tied after the application of this procedure, the prize will be shared or will be decided by lot.

 

[MrsMediumHandicapper]

Thanks Rulefan,
How would that apply to a single round bronze comp advertised as a stableford?

 

[louise_a]

It seems to me that what is happening is that when a medal is played the bronze division winner (over 20 handicap) will be decided by the Stableford score but the main winner will still be the best medal score, although to some extent I can see the point, surely a medal should be a medal.

 

[rulefan]

Thanks Rulefan,
How would that apply to a single round bronze comp advertised as a stableford?

As clause v) using the stableford points score for each hole. I assume it id a handicap event.

Handicap medal is more complicated as the handicap has to be apportioned over the holes. They are not applied to individual holes.

 

[MrsMediumHandicapper]

I think I was wrong in the description.. Here is a paste of the issue:
About 3 years ago the format was changed from medal to stableford, the stableford scores are then converted to medal scores using the handicap stableford 19.8 rule.

 

[rulefan]

I think I was wrong in the description.. Here is a paste of the issue:
About 3 years ago the format was changed from medal to stableford, the stableford scores are then converted to medal scores using the handicap stableford 19.8 rule.

How on earth is that done for a player who picks up because he can't score any stableford point?

 

[rosecott]

I think I was wrong in the description.. Here is a paste of the issue:
About 3 years ago the format was changed from medal to stableford, the stableford scores are then converted to medal scores using the handicap stableford 19.8 rule.

I agree with Rulefan. You can convert medal scores to stableford using 19.8 but you can't do it the other way round.