UKIP a change on the political horizon or not.

[Ethan]

Ethan you may well be correct that I am the sort of person they are looking at. But what/who exactly am I.

51 yr old worked in the coal mines for 36 yr til I am made redundant next year. The Tory government has hammered the mining industry. They can apply to the EU for state aid as has Germany, Spain, Czechs, Poland. Etc etc to soften the blow to not just the miners but it's supporting industries. but it chooses not to. So forgive me if I don't wave a Davis Cameron flag.

But hang on a minute, Labour has shut just as many pits as the Tories, yeah but that was 50 yr ago. er no it wasn't. new Labour under That Criminal Tony. Blair did nowt to help me either. So there's no waving of the red rose either.

my wife of 29 yr is a nurse and seen the NHS brought to its knees by successive Tory and Labour governments. She is no lover of Labour or the Tories either.

i have three kids. Our eldest is a copper in Sheffield Central she is 27 an been a copper 8 years. The problems she tells me of inner cities with benefit culture kids, and immigrants of differing cultures at war with one another because they cannot respect one another's cultures is frightening. They only thing they hate more than one another is the police who they have no respect for. Yet every year there budget gets hit again and again.

my son who is 26 is a class one lorry driver. Now he is a classic target for the UKIP party. But hey he's young and thinks he can change the world by himself. He worked in the prisons for 3 yr and was disgusted to see how cushy prisoners have it. Do you know if your on benefits you can claim traveling expenses for seeing family members in the clink. I,m proud as punch for the both of um.

me youngest, she is 21 this December. We adopted her when she was 2 yr 11 months old. My family have spent more time and money on her,teaching her old fashioned family values it was a complete and utter waste of time ( Nathan if you want a full and frank rundown of her life then al pm you) she has contributed nothing to society. She has a son who is 18 month old, I have seen him 4 times, she is pregnant again with a father of her kids who is looking at spending the next 6-9 yr inside. I could go on. Me and you are paying every single day for the next couple of decades to keep her and her partner in the life of luxury.

the problem is that since I could vote from 1981 I have voted labour, SDLP and liberals last time around and where as it got us.

fortunately or unfortunately the UKIP party have come along, and has already been said, some of there policies hit the nail on the head and others are iffy to say the least.

You made the point about the other parties being the parties for 3 figure IQ people. I just reflected that back. Seems a lot here take offence, but strangely they do so with me not you, and in doing so jump to a bunch of false assumptions about me. I have never voted Tory in my life and would only do so to block a more extreme party. I also grew up working class on a council estate.

The issue with UKIP, as i see it, is that they have a couple of knee jerk (but basically false) ideas that seem to resonate with the people (like the Tea Party in the US), but behind that have a very thin and poorly considered manifesto. It now appears that even Nigel is confused about it, so you can be pretty sure most voters don't know much about it. Their economic policy is nonsensical, for a start. The remarks about HIV are ignorant and uninformed and show the underlying prejudice.

The tragedy now is that the Tories have lurched right to combat them, and in doing so have given the centre ground to Labour, who under Miliband are also out to lunch but now that the Lib Dems have sunk themselves, there isn't anybody else.So UKIP might, in effect, give the election to Labour. I bet that is not the outcome many of their voters wanted. But then many Lib Dem voters at the last election were trying to keep Cameron out, not give him a way in.

 

[Ethan]

So, NWJocko is illiterate?

He either or both of didn't read or didn't understand the post I was responding to before jumping on his high horse.

 

[guest100718]

http://metro.co.uk/2014/10/10/passi...stand-for-in-painful-radio-interview-4900910/

 

[Foxholer]

You, sir, are precisely the sort of person UKIP is targeting.

I can just see the new slogan "UKIP - the party for people whose IQ is not in three figures (not including decimal places)."

Settle down Ethan! Your implication wrt Political choice vs Intelligence (in UK) is unworthy of the person I've met and played Golf with and, imo, borders on insulting.

@Tashyboy. You have my sympathy for your predicament. And a demo of Nature vs Nurture?

I guess you would be happy if the right to vote was a prerequisite of a high IQ....

You appear to have got your 'logic' arse about face!

 

[Hobbit]

134 is good, so I am sure you know that clever people sometimes make bad choices.

Protest voting tends not to be very successful and only encourages those with whom you choose to protest.

Is your first point a thinly veiled dig at my 'intelligent' voting, or just plain clumsy?

Protest voting makes other parties change their policies to encourage the lost voters to return. Let's face it, many people switch allegiance at every election.

 

[SocketRocket]

You appear to have got your 'logic' arse about face!

So I did, well spotted. Never had both brain cells kicked in when I wrote that

 

[Ethan]

Settle down Ethan! Your implication wrt Political choice vs Intelligence (in UK) is unworthy of the person I've met and played Golf with and, imo, borders on insulting.

Foxy

I was imply reflecting back an opposite implication made by the OP. If he criticises the usual parties for their 3 figure IQ voters, it must follow that UKIP's alternative appeal is aimed at others.

 

[SocketRocket]

I find it slightly amusing how it's being suggested that so many voters are not intelligent enough to make an informed decision when voting. Many people tend to vote for parties that represent their traditional social beliefs, or, because they experience issues they don't like and look for a party that promotes policies to address these issues. In the case of UKIP the issues so many people are dissatisfied with are:

The very high rates of immigration experienced in the last decade and the way they perceive this eroding the fabric of their culture, the impact on social services, housing, the NHS and education.

The something for nothing culture where the lazy and feckless are almost encouraged to live their lives on the backs of hard working people. They see no relationship between contributions to social security and the entitlement to it.

They are not happy with the way the EU has morphed from being a trading entity into an overpowering bureaucracy that is not working in the National interest.

Whether they are genuine concerns or the bleating of the great unwashed is a matter of opinion but non the less a reality. I would suggest the major parties do something to address these concerns pretty quick or we could really see UKIP with the balance of power next year.

 

[Tashyboy]

Your right Nathan I did mention a three figure iq but it was in reference to a point jampal made earlier on in the blog. I referenced him you referenced me. No harm done. Nice to see the blog back on topic.ne:

 

[Old Skier]

As long as people vote I'm not overly concerned with who they choose to vote for. If those that feel they want a "non of the above" which will never happen perhaps they - and all of those unhappy with the current state of affairs should go for a true Independent.

 

[SocketRocket]

As long as people vote I'm not overly concerned with who they choose to vote for. If those that feel they want a "non of the above" which will never happen perhaps they - and all of those unhappy with the current state of affairs should go for a true Independent.

I agree its best people do vote. Maybe it should be a legal requirement like in Australia and you should have the option to tick 'None of the Above'

 

[Deleted member 15344]

No one shuld be "forced" into voting for someone they dont agree with or trust

ill vote on the day i find someone or a party like that or they have the none of the above option

 

[NWJocko]

Well, I assume those who have the power of literacy will see that I was responding directly to a point made by someone else which deplored the political parties whose supporters had three figure IQs. By implication, he was casting UKIP as the party for those that did

You're first sentence answers my questions quite succinctly I think, thanks :thup:

I'm not self righteous, my default position just differs from yours in that I don't assume I am more intelligent than others before knowing them or that it makes my opinions any more relevant.

Re the concern about my literacy it is appreciated, thank you. Hasn't harmed me getting an education, career, good salary etc so I'm doing ok ta.

Toodle pip.

 

[Old Skier]

No one shuld be "forced" into voting for someone they dont agree with or trust

ill vote on the day i find someone or a party like that or they have the none of the above option

That is yours and many others view and you are at present entitled to it, however when I'm PM I will be adopting the Australian system.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That is yours and many others view and you are at present entitled to it, however when I'm PM I will be adopting the Australian system.

And then ill spoil the paper :thup:

 

[El Bandito]

I'm not sure if UKIP is the change, or a symptom of the change. The neverendum and the 'rise of UKIP' do seem to indicate an electorate that is very disaffected.

will UKIP amend itself, get some policy together? I doubt it, but if they can get some money into an infrastructure...well who knows?

 

[SocketRocket]

And then ill spoil the paper :thup:

And break the law. Surely 'None of the above' should be enough of a protest.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

And break the law. Surely 'None of the above' should be enough of a protest.

Only if its an option

 

[JamPal]

Are you as much of a pompous, self important clown in person as you come across on here sometimes?

Being a doctor give you the right to assume intellectual superiority over everyone these days?

Arse.

He's right though, UKIP is for the easily fooled.

Everyone says "Oh but what about the Tories and Labour, what about the Lib Dems, they are all the same, no this time we need change, so I am voting UKIP".

If you think UKIP are any different at all, then you mark yourself out as having a low IQ. A Wealthy toff, taking money from the EU, not working for a living, swanning about offering blame instead of policies, that's different is it? Get a fekking grip.

The nasty piece of work is laughing all the way to the bank with OUR money. And it's the moron voters that backed him we have to thank.

 

[NWJocko]

He's right though, UKIP is for the easily fooled.

Everyone says "Oh but what about the Tories and Labour, what about the Lib Dems, they are all the same, no this time we need change, so I am voting UKIP".

If you think UKIP are any different at all, then you mark yourself out as having a low IQ. A Wealthy toff, taking money from the EU, not working for a living, swanning about offering blame instead of policies, that's different is it? Get a fekking grip.

The nasty piece of work is laughing all the way to the bank with OUR money. And it's the moron voters that backed him we have to thank.

Actually, he isn't right. Unless you can provide evidence that all UKIP followers (of which I'm not one for what it's worth) have a "low IQ". I have no idea what reasons people have for supporting UKIP but don't assume that they are of low intelligence purely for doing so.

You feel free to assume away if it makes you feel better, probably says more about you than them though :thup: