TRUMP, What the hell is going on

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No, I mean senate. The house is going to refer to the senate with a 100% partisan vote. More or less. At this point Donald is impeached and it is down to the senate to remove. 100 senators, 53 to 47 for the reps. But the dems want them to vote anyway to get them all t declare their side before the 2020 elections.
 
larmen said:
The democrats know that nothing will happen, but they want the 53 Republican senators to stop dodging the cameras and putting on paper thatchy see nothing wrong.
Currently you have people like Lindsey Graham saying they didn't read the reports, but once in trial he has to vote.
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As Joe and Mika (love her :) ) say enough times on their MSNBC morning show - Republican Congressmen and Senators will sooner or later have to accept that there will be political life after Trump - and if they want to have one themselves then they will at some point have to answer on their 'blind/absolutist' support of Trump. They might be able to wax lyrical on how their support of Trump was completely vindicated by subsequent events. But they might not.

Some interesting hearings today. Will be embarrassing when Trump and his acolytes make (as they most probably will) the 'they are Never Trumpers' accusation that they have made against previous witnesses - to today's witnesses - Vindman, Williams, Volker and Morrison - when each and every one of them are serving or have have served in quite or very senior positions in Trump's Administration - and who have very immediate knowledge of Ukraine; the conversation with the Ukrainian Pres. and/or the call between Trump and Sondland.
 
HappyHacker1 said:
Watching it live is fascinating, the guy Vindman is a warrior.
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They GOP had a real go at Vindman didn't they. Not sure they went in so hard on Wlliams, and haven't caught up with how Volker and Morrison fared. Strikes me that the main line of attack by the GOP is process - with the substance almost accepted - though not quite stated.

The ludicrousness of the claim that Trump did nothing wrong because the funding was released almost beggars belief - I attempt to rob a bank but am chased out and then later apprehended. Honest Judge - I did nothing wrong as my attempted armed robbery failed...

Then there is the assertion that the two guys having the conversation have said they were cool with how the call went...notwithstanding the fact that we know that the Ukrainian government were discussing what they would do without the funding and what they could do to get it released. And I can just see the Ukrainian President openly telling the world that the PotUS is lying about the call. Yes - that's going to happen...the GOP would go mental over political interference and the 'lying' (as they would put it) of the Ukrainian President.

You'd laugh if they weren't dead serious.

But soon - Sondland...must go check Youtube Live Streaming.
 
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Morrison got himself a bit tied up and tbh I found both their testimonies a bit tedious. As for Sondland I think he will plead the 5th on a number of questions so I don't expect there to be any great news out of what he says.
 
HappyHacker1 said:
Morrison got himself a bit tied up and tbh I found both their testimonies a bit tedious. As for Sondland I think he will plead the 5th on a number of questions so I don't expect there to be any great news out of what he says.
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I am not so sure. Just been watching. They all knew about the quid pro quo. Trump, Pompeo, Giuliani - the lot.

Only wriggle room I heard is that Sondland was saying at some point that he can't remember Trump actually telling him directly about the QPQ for the military aid - but he was told by someone - it might have been Trump, Pompeo or Giuliani - and speaking directly with Trump, Trump never dissuaded Sondland from the understanding that that was exactly what the PotUS expected from Ukraine.
 
I've seen enough to know now it will make no odds to Nunes and the Republicans. They will just play it off as nothing to see here as they have always done.
 
Yup. It'll all be ignored. I gave up after listening a bit to Nunes and to to the Counsel for the GOP. The GOP going to great efforts to make their one and only point that it was Trump speaking to the Ukrainian President - and no matter who else knew or heard what from whoever whenever about what was said or the background to the conversation - it's all second hand and that the only people who should be believed are the two Presidents. Indeed I suspect that even were the Ukrainian president to 'blow the lid' on it all, the Republicans would simply make a huge noise about him interfering with internal US affairs and that he should just keep out.
 
They are so partisan, they would even try to blow away a confession.
Actually, I think they already tried that.

But as soon as Trump is out of the office (impeachment, 2020 or 2024 election) some prosecutors, state and federal, will have a good go at him.
 
And today's witnesses - David Holmes and a certain very scary Dr Fiona Hill (she sounds like a solid lass from the NE England). Well I don't know what Nunes and the GOP counsel will make of them - but oof!. Seemed pretty clear their understanding, knowledge and evidence about what was going on. And as for Sondland claiming yesterday that he really, honestly, truly didn't know the connection between Burisma and the Bidens - well Hill and Holmes are very clear that everybody knew.

Dr Fiona Hill view today on some tactics of the GOP in respect of Russia interference in the 2016 election and that it was Ukraine


Meanwhile back in Trump-town yesterday - the PotUS has a bit of paper on which in big but not quite joined-up writing he has written what Sondland evidenced about a call he had with Trump - the call being AFTER the whistleblowers concerns were made known to the White House - and so Trump knew he'd been rumbled.

He's thought 'I know - I'll speak to Sondland and pretend I didn't know anything about this quid pro quo thing - that I wanted nothing from the Ukrainian President' And that is it - that'll sort it. To Trump and the GOP nothing else matters other than Trump pretending after he was caught that he never knew anything about it.

Funny if it wasn't quite to risible.
 
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See is you can find the clip where Democrat Maloney got fired into Sondland, it's a short clip, you'll probably find it on MSNBC's YT page, I was frightened after that clip. :eek:

I thought Sondland made it clear they were all in on it, in his words, everyone was in the loop.

Also check out Seth Myers with his "closer look" segment, very funny.
 
Watching Fiona Hill live now, the US must be on the edge of their seats watching it, it's mind blowing.

All the guys who failed to answer their subpoena are probably wishing they could go there now and give their side.

Jim Jordan is making an absolute erse of himself.
 
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HappyHacker1 said:
If you haven't been following it closely you may find it quite difficult to understand who is who and with this being the last witnesses there won't be much more to see until it goes to the senate for the hearing of impeachment.
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I've watched it with interest since you pointed it out. TBH it seems to be rehearsed/ scripted and too word perfect to be off the cuff.
But good to watch without having hecklers shouting out like school boys.
Thanks for the heads up Happy H.
 
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