TRUMP, What the hell is going on

[Hacker Khan]

I'm over in the US now and have been watching the news channels and to be honest it is utterly toxic. Everything is polarised and spun to the extreme and you just wonder where the sane people are to drive the agenda. Some of the commentators they get on are beyond parody as they are so biased.

I know people moan about the BBC and other UK channels. But for the love of God please do not let them get into this state, as they are effectively 24hr constant party political broadcasts. Which becomes very scary if that is how someone gets all their news.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I'm over in the US now and have been watching the news channels and to be honest it is utterly toxic. Everything is polarised and spun to the extreme and you just wonder where the sane people are to drive the agenda. Some of the commentators they get on are beyond parody as they are so biased.

I know people moan about the BBC and other UK channels. But for the love of God please do not let them get into this state, as they are effectively 24hr constant party political broadcasts. Which becomes very scary if that is how someone gets all their news.

And now that Fox News have got rid of Sheppard Smith (well he was sick of the place) the only 'news' person on Fox News is Chris Wallace - and he's only weekend. How long he'll last is debatable. Judge Napolitano as a commentator occasionally calls out Trump and Trumpists for their misinformation and lies - and as a result Trump isn't happy with Wallace and Napolitano. The rest on Fox News are commentators - and some are awful to behold - Fox and Friends would be funny if it wasn't Trump's favourite morning watch - and when you listen to Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham and Judge Jeanine Pirro - oh dear goodness.

Of course anti-Trumpists have MSNBC - and such as Joe and Mika are always good for their shock and despair at the most recent Trump-GOP outburst/lie/wheedle.

Personally I like The Young Turks - Cenk and Ana rock - and on CNN, Anderson Cooper is always dryly cutting in his analysis.

 

[Mudball]

I'm over in the US now and have been watching the news channels and to be honest it is utterly toxic. Everything is polarised and spun to the extreme and you just wonder where the sane people are to drive the agenda. Some of the commentators they get on are beyond parody as they are so biased.

I know people moan about the BBC and other UK channels. But for the love of God please do not let them get into this state, as they are effectively 24hr constant party political broadcasts. Which becomes very scary if that is how someone gets all their news.

I know this is dangerous territory and you might have the FBI on your trail soon... Have you tried Al-Jazeera English.. i find it fairly good and balanced. CNN had its place but sometimes you think they are overdoing the anti-trump bit. Everyone knows he is a charlatan show man, but you get bored when everything is calling out the truth

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Are the no levels this man won’t stoop too?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1189604324843950080

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Joking apart - what the hell is going on? Is Trump bonkers or is he just a dangerous autocrat given a largely supine GOP.

Tweeting derogatory and threatening messages about a witness in an impeachment investigation whilst the witness is actually being questioned - with the clear implications for further potential witnessses. Has he truly not heard of witness tampering - or does he just not care - he feels he can blatantly break the law in full sight of all in the belief that by him just saying ‘fake news’ or ‘witch hunt’ it’ll be ignored by his core support.

Just as well no politicians in this country have any connections with Trump or are looking to take lessons from him. This country would be in a fine mess given we have no written constitution to measure behaviour against. Just the rule of law.

 

[User20204]

I've been following things fairly closely via YT clips for weeks. On the face of it, it's all incredible what's been going on but what I find absolutely staggering is the GOP senators continual denying of what is fact and embarrassing themselves defending him.

Whether what he's done is impeachable I'm not sure though I don't believe he will be removed, the Dems don't have the numbers to gt it through so in a way I agree with Nunes that it's a bit of a circus act.

 

[Mudball]

Joking apart - what the hell is going on? Is Trump bonkers or is he just a dangerous autocrat given a largely supine GOP.

Tweeting derogatory and threatening messages about a witness in an impeachment investigation whilst the witness is actually being questioned - with the clear implications for further potential witnessses. Has he truly not heard of witness tampering - or does he just not care - he feels he can blatantly break the law in full sight of all in the belief that by him just saying ‘fake news’ or ‘witch hunt’ it’ll be ignored by his core support.

Just as well no politicians in this country have any connections with Trump or are looking to take lessons from him. This country would be in a fine mess given we have no written constitution to measure behaviour against. Just the rule of law.

did he not say that he could shoot someone in the middle of Times Square and his supporters would still support him

 

[User20204]

Wednesday's testimony from Sondland may well be world wide news dependant on whether his memory hold up or not. He has got himself in to a right old pickle having to go back change his original deposition.

He could potentially blow the whole thing wide open and condemn Trump there and then or take a bullet for him but if he does, he's likely to go to jail for about ten years first for perjury.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Wednesday's testimony from Sondland may well be world wide news dependant on whether his memory hold up or not. He has got himself in to a right old pickle having to go back change his original deposition.

He could potentially blow the whole thing wide open and condemn Trump there and then or take a bullet for him but if he does, he's likely to go to jail for about ten years first for perjury.

That's it...it comes down to what Sondland remembers and how much he is willing to perjure himself.

I'm thinking Trump might already have told Sondland that he'll get a Presidential pardon if following his appearance he is found guilty of misleading congress or perjury. There are now a few folks who were sat around a restaurant table who have stated that they heard Trump on the phone to Sondland talking only really about the importance of getting the Ukrainian Pres. to make a public statement about Ukrainian investigations into Biden and the business interests of Biden's son.

Seems that the Dems have decided that they must no longer respond to the stuff Trump's lickspittle GOP Representatives and Senators are spouting. And so this weekend Nancy Pelosi on the US's Ukrainian Ambassador and other stiff the Trump's GOP dudes have been spouting. I've rather thought Pelosi a bit dithery - but she did the stuff here...calm, rational and logical...unlike Trump. And Brian Tyler Cohen lists the talking-points (aka lies, deceits and misinformation) the GOP are trying to push to confuse the US electorate.

 

[User20204]

I follow him also, he's really good but by the same token if you follow any Fox news stuff or GOP you get a totally different spin on it all. I agree that Pelosi does come over as a bit dither y but the Dems do seem far more in control than the Repulicans.

David Holmes is the one who has/is giving a testimony in the closed door hearing just now who heard the call between Trump and Sondland, if his evidence is good, he's be in front of the cameras next week.

Watched one of Brian Tyler Cohen vids last night where he had Jim Jordan saying it was all second hand accounts, and he (Brian Tyler Cohen) went on to say they (Republicans) must be so stupid if that's their defence because next up is Vindman (sp?) who was in on the call and who twice raised concerns about it.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I follow him also, he's really good but by the same token if you follow any Fox news stuff or GOP you get a totally different spin on it all. I agree that Pelosi does come over as a bit dither y but the Dems do seem far more in control than the Repulicans.

David Holmes is the one who has/is giving a testimony in the closed door hearing just now who heard the call between Trump and Sondland, if his evidence is good, he's be in front of the cameras next week.

Watched one of Brian Tyler Cohen vids last night where he had Jim Jordan saying it was all second hand accounts, and he (Brian Tyler Cohen) went on to say they (Republicans) must be so stupid if that's their defence because next up is Vindman (sp?) who was in on the call and who twice raised concerns about it.

Yes - I watched the one BTC did on JJ. Indeed - and Brian Stelter on Fox's coverage (again as you follow you may have seen this). I also just love Cenk Uygur and Ana Kasparian of TYT.

 

[User20204]

Yep watched that one. For me this is one of the reasons he won't be removed is because depending on which channels you follow would have you believe he's bang to rights or nothing to see here.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Yep watched that one. For me this is one of the reasons he won't be removed is because depending on which channels you follow would have you believe he's bang to rights or nothing to see here.

Today and the coming couple of days will be very interesting - for those who care to watch and listen...

Could never happen here - could it?

 

[Mudball]

Today and the coming couple of days will be very interesting - for those who care to watch and listen...

Could never happen here - could it?

Won’t bet against that... the battle lines are being drawn up.. there is a steady stream of people wanting to cast the BBC as left wing, anti-Brexit etc. Social platforms are already spilt up and have become an echo chamber already.
Don’t get started on which of our politicos lies the most.

 

[User20204]

BBC left wing ? You're at the winds ups aren't you ? First time I have ever heard that being said, the British establishment being left wing

 

[larmen]

Rudy being investigated by the state of NY which means no pardon by Donald. Is he flipping? He always says he has insurance, but he also says a lot other rubbish.

 

[User20204]

I predict the two Ukrainians will sing like canaries for a plea bargain which in turn will sell both Trump and Rudy down the river, also, if Sondland sings he'll be found dead in mysterious circumstances in the months/years to come.

 

[User20204]

Just been reading up on how this goes:

The Senate conducts the inquiry then vote on whether or not it proceeds to impeachment.
From there it goes to the House of Representatives where the senators act as prosecutors, and the House act as jury.
For the president to be removed there needs to be a two thirds majority.

The Republicans have 53 and the Democrats 45 with 2 independents.

This is where I start to believe that the Republicans know that it just becomes a circus and a show trial because they are not going to vote to remove their own President as at least 20 would need to cross the floor.

No president has ever been removed from office.

 

[larmen]

The democrats know that nothing will happen, but they want the 53 Republican senators to stop dodging the cameras and putting on paper thatchy see nothing wrong.
Currently you have people like Lindsey Graham saying they didn't read the reports, but once in trial he has to vote.

 

[User20204]

I presume you mean House representatives, rather than senators. It gets all confusing with which house we are talking about.