TRUMP, What the hell is going on

[Hobbit]

Whatever happens I suspect that Trump will be blaming the EU and the UK etc for not stepping up to the mark. Has DRaab told us yet whether the UK is supportive of this withdrawal - as Trump said last night. Or are we afraid to push back and contradict him - telling him that the UK does not support the withdrawal.

Let's be hearing you DRaab!

He blamed the EU 2 days ago, saying that they weren't stepping up the mark and doing their fair share. The last few hours has seen the Turks attacking Kurdish positions in northern Syria.

As for the Sondland issue; if Trump gets away with this the US govt is NOT the beacon for freedom and democracy its supposed to be. He has got to be impeached for this, assuming the Democrats are honourable - oh well, never mind.

 

[Foxholer]

He blamed the EU 2 days ago, saying that they weren't stepping up the mark and doing their fair share. The last few hours has seen the Turks attacking Kurdish positions in northern Syria.

As for the Sondland issue; if Trump gets away with this the US govt is NOT the beacon for freedom and democracy its supposed to be. He has got to be impeached for this, assuming the Democrats are honourable - oh well, never mind.

Democrats? They are the ones that instigated impeachment proceedings! Do you mean Republicans?

Btw. I'd hardly call any of them 'honourable'! For me, it's simply a case of 'less dishonourable' in a 'corrupt' environment!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Just on the ITV News at Ten, Trump on being questioned about the Kurds and why they haven’t been given total protection:
“They didn’t help us in the Second World War, They didn’t help us at Normandy”
He is a fruit loop, I genuinely believe he has mental health problems and needs help.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

And to calm any fears his supporters in the US might have over escaped ISIS fighters?...

“they’re going to be escaping to Europe,"

Thanks a lot buddy - who needs enemies...

Meanwhile Trump appears to have rejected requests from Johnson and DRaab to have diplomatic immunity waived for the women who was in an accident in which English lad was killed...'...the woman was driving on wrong side of road - that happens' being the gist of it.

And this is the guy who is going to be our BFF after we leave the EU. Oh yes.

 

[Old Skier]

Just on the ITV News at Ten, Trump on being questioned about the Kurds and why they haven’t been given total protection:
“They didn’t help us in the Second World War, They didn’

And to calm any fears his supporters in the US might have over escaped ISIS fighters?...

“they’re going to be escaping to Europe,"

Thanks a lot buddy - who needs enemies...

Meanwhile Trump appears to have rejected requests from Johnson and DRaab to have diplomatic immunity waived for the women who was in an accident in which English lad was killed...'...the woman was driving on wrong side of road - that happens' being the gist of it.

And this is the guy who is going to be our BFF after we leave the EU. Oh yes.

So tell me: Why have the British forces withdrawn its support of the Kurds.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

So tell me: Why have the British forces withdrawn its support of the Kurds.

As far as I can gather, the Government has disagreed with Trump’s actions and told him so, they have also condemned Turkey.
Our troops have been withdrawn for their own safety.
Numbers wise, we have nowhere near the amount the US had on the ground and the US were providing the majority of logistical support, with the US withdrawing they’ve given us and the French no choice.

 

[Old Skier]

As far as I can gather, the Government has disagreed with Trump’s actions and told him so, they have also condemned Turkey.
Our troops have been withdrawn for their own safety.
Numbers wise, we have nowhere near the amount the US had on the ground and the US were providing the majority of logistical support, with the US withdrawing they’ve given us and the French no choice.

And theres the crux, we no longer have a force capable of operating alone, even with the French it appears. So we have to rely on the yanks with an unstable president to act as the worlds policeman because we and the rest of NATO appear to be impotent without the US support.

 

[Hacker Khan]

And theres the crux, we no longer have a force capable of operating alone, even with the French it appears. So we have to rely on the yanks with an unstable president to act as the worlds policeman because we and the rest of NATO appear to be impotent without the US support.

I mean we could join the EU army if that would help?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

And theres the crux, we no longer have a force capable of operating alone, even with the French it appears. So we have to rely on the yanks with an unstable president to act as the worlds policeman because we and the rest of NATO appear to be impotent without the US support.

Surely it depends on scale, Foreign Troops in Syria is neither a NATO or UN mission, it was/is a US Led Coalition against Isis, we’ve put very few on the ground and our biggest role has been from the Air side.

I agree we no longer have a force capable of operating alone, but it is a red herring to use it as the reason why our troops have withdrawn from the Border area.

 

[Old Skier]

I mean we could join the EU army if that would help?

Well we have many in the EU not able to meet their commitments in NATO so we have an EU Army where it's commitment will be larger because they split from the largest NATO force. Sounds like a poor economic model let alone defensive/offensive one.

 

[Old Skier]

Surely it depends on scale, Foreign Troops in Syria is neither a NATO or UN mission, it was/is a US Led Coalition against Isis, we’ve put very few on the ground and our biggest role has been from the Air side.

I agree we no longer have a force capable of operating alone, but it is a red herring to use it as the reason why our troops have withdrawn from the Border area.

If it's a red herring I'd be interested to know your take on why our forces have been withdraw and why it's not been reported on any of our news channels.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

If it's a red herring I'd be interested to know your take on why our forces have been withdraw and why it's not been reported on any of our news channels.

Probably because publicly the Government refuses to say how many troops we have on the ground, they are unlikely to publicly say anything else.

 

[Old Skier]

Just on the ITV News at Ten, Trump on being questioned about the Kurds and why they haven’t been given total protection:
“They didn’t help us in the Second World War, They didn’t help us at Normandy”
He is a fruit loop, I genuinely believe he has mental health problems and needs help.

They didn't help in Vietnam either - but neither did Trump

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Trump blocking his Ambassador to the EU Gordon Sondland testifying to the Congress impeachment committees - even though it appears that Sondland is keen to appear. Well he is a businessman hoping to have a business life after Trump. And so Sondland is subpoena'd to appear. The optics of this blocking by Trump are not good.

Reported is that now that Sondland has been subpoenad to appear he is going to do just that - defying the State Department. Though he was formally US ambassador to the EU he was also Trumps representative in the Ukraine once Trump had ‘sacked’ the incumbent US Ambassador to the Ukraine. And she too is going to testify.

And Trump gets angrier and more random in his language and tweets - if that is at all possible.

And meanwhile the polls - even FoxNews polls...oh are they annoying Trump...

 

[spongebob59]

Omg, written by a child ?

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-10-17...a-fool-mike-pompeo-mike-pence-head-to-ankara/

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Omg, written by a child ?

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-10-17...a-fool-mike-pompeo-mike-pence-head-to-ankara/

If you read it in Private Eye you'd laugh at the absurdity of it. But no. The Leader of the Free World wrote this...

Just don't be a fool...takes a dangerous one to know a dangerous one some might say.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Trump on Pelosi following 'meltdown' meeting. Such a class act.

And as others have noted - the 'heads-down' demenour of the General and the three Republicans to his right don't suggest that they are that proud of what their Great Leader has been saying to Pelosi and her Dem colleagues...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1184620202480193537

 

[Mudball]

This one is funny

https://twitter.com/x/status/1189153270167564288

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Meanwhile attacks continue on a Purple Heart Lt Col. and Iraq war veteran who listened in to the 'Ukraine' phone call (it was his job to do that) and then reported his concerns that what was being suggested re Biden could undermine bipartisan support in Congress for aid to Ukraine.

Now Fox News and GOP 'Trumpists' are suggesting that as the Lt Col was born in Ukraine (his parents moved to US when he was 3yrs old) he might not be 'putting America First' - and in fact that he might well be guilty of espionage. And so it is just fine to attack this Lt Col.

Of course they ignore the fact that it is US policy to support Ukraine in opposing Russian aggression, and so anything that might undermine US support to Ukraine and make Ukraine weaker in face of Russian aggression is clearly against the interests of the USA - desperate - Jeez.

 

[Mudball]

Meanwhile attacks continue on a Purple Heart Lt Col. and Iraq war veteran who listened in to the 'Ukraine' phone call (it was his job to do that) and then reported his concerns that what was being suggested re Biden could undermine bipartisan support in Congress for aid to Ukraine.

Now Fox News and GOP 'Trumpists' are suggesting that as the Lt Col was born in Ukraine (his parents moved to US when he was 3yrs old) he might not be 'putting America First' - and in fact that he might well be guilty of espionage. And so it is just fine to attack this Lt Col.

Of course they ignore the fact that it is US policy to support Ukraine in opposing Russian aggression, and so anything that might undermine US support to Ukraine and make Ukraine weaker in face of Russian aggression is clearly against the interests of the USA - desperate - Jeez.

how does it matter in the post-truth narrative. Trump is running a 'Get me out of here - White House Special' and is purely doing it for ratings. Like our BoJo, he gives a monkeys about what happens to his country