TRUMP, What the hell is going on

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Phil's link earlier showed that they did hit buildings (image from it below). Whether they targeted those buildings in particular or not is another matter.

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And BBC News now reporting that the airliner that crashed was shot down by Iran by mistake....

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51055219

I think it’s the US media who are stating it has been shot down by Iran

Seems some “US Officials” have said it was shot down - will be interesting to know how they have come to that conclusion , it appears because they believe the Anti Aircraft Missiles would be active and some signal picked up by satellites

But Iran says it wasn’t , and the US Pentagon said it wasn’t - yet Trump said he has his “suspicions”

This is going to get even more messy
 
So Trudeau statement says all evidence points to an Iran fired missile. Not helped by Iran refusal to allow the manufacturers or anyone outside of Tehran (possible exception for Ukraine) doesn't help with denial of it being shot down. This has a lot more to playout yet.
 
I'm no expert but how can you just accidently shoot down a plane :(, after firing 6 missiles and deliberately not killing anyone :confused:
 
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I'm no expert but how can you just accidently shoot down a plane :(, after firing 6 missiles and deliberately not killing anyone :confused:

One suggestion on the BBC was that the Iranian anti aircraft defence system would have been turned on after they fired the missiles at the US bases. The defence system mistook the plane for a US warplane and fired at it. No idea if that is an automated system or if it's human error but it seems strange that they would fire at a target that low to the ground. I've got no military experience but would expect enemy planes to be flying a lot higher than a passenger jet just taking off.
 
A bit suspicious that Iran are bulldozing the crash site already .BBC news!
Just saw that myself, if that doesn't scream cover up along with refusal to allow access to black box I don't know what is.

Also what was with the people around Trump, muppets in cowboy hats, ithers in high vis and hard hats all that was missing is a red indian with full chieftain headress I was half expecting him to burst into a YMCA rendition
 
Just saw that myself, if that doesn't scream cover up along with refusal to allow access to black box I don't know what is.

Also what was with the people around Trump, muppets in cowboy hats, ithers in high vis and hard hats all that was missing is a red indian with full chieftain headress I was half expecting him to burst into a YMCA rendition
It’s going to be one of them.
We know they did it but won’t have the proof.
That is a bit shocking to see a plane shot down.
 
One suggestion on the BBC was that the Iranian anti aircraft defence system would have been turned on after they fired the missiles at the US bases. The defence system mistook the plane for a US warplane and fired at it. No idea if that is an automated system or if it's human error but it seems strange that they would fire at a target that low to the ground. I've got no military experience but would expect enemy planes to be flying a lot higher than a passenger jet just taking off.
Highly unlikely, it doesn't work like that. If it did there would be passenger aircraft being shot down all the time. There is an outside chance it was an accident but it smells bad to me.
 
Highly unlikely, it doesn't work like that. If it did there would be passenger aircraft being shot down all the time. There is an outside chance it was an accident but it smells bad to me.
I agree an anti aircraft system would surely monitor incoming planes not ones leaving.
Or is that to simple, why would a manned system shoot at a plane leaving the airport.?
 
Iran confirm they did shoot down the plane...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51073621
The admission is clearly a way of somehow attempting to play down tensions but is in direct conflict with their own statement of being adament they did not shoot it down with a missile just 2 days ago. Plus if it's human error they need to prosecute and publicly show the person responsible has been punished by law. That is one hell of a fall guy should they choose one as its a big difference between a commercial plane and a military one to seemingly make a mistake such as this, very easy to spot the difference between the 2.
 
The admission is clearly a way of somehow attempting to play down tensions but is in direct conflict with their own statement of being adament they did not shoot it down with a missile just 2 days ago. Plus if it's human error they need to prosecute and publicly show the person responsible has been punished by law. That is one hell of a fall guy should they choose one as its a big difference between a commercial plane and a military one to seemingly make a mistake such as this, very easy to spot the difference between the 2.
Yes I just can’t understand why would you shoot a plane down that’s leaving an airport.
Maybe Trump is right ( I am agreeing with Trump) to deny them a nuclear bomb if this is how they use their arms.
It looks like they don’t know what they are doing.
 
Should I be laughing at this as much as I am. He’s serious - until it is pointed out to him and his acolytes how stupid it sounds - and then he’ll say he wasn’t being serious and his acolytes will tell us not to listen to his words but get his meaning - and we’ll not know what to think. Of course Rex Tillerson knows from personal very close experience - calling Trump a ‘moron’ - or indeed a ‘f’n moron’.

Is this really real though - must go check ... but thing is - even if a spoof it could be real ?
 
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Don Lemon and Chris Cuomo yesterday so very not impressed by Trump's Press Secretary; the President's tweeting - and update on the impeachment

 
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