mikejohnchapman
Challenge Tour Pro
Misunderstood Rule - saying you hit your ball into a hazard but then playing a provisional ball.
Top 10 misunderstood rules!?
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jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
It can be found on pages 18 to 25 of the Rolex Rules Book
rulefan
Tour Winner
TheJezster
Tour Rookie
Thank you, that's perfect, just ordered a couple to see what they're like.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
:rofl: That is utterly ridiculous. So in effect you can discuss what clubs to hit on the 1st tee but not any of the other tees. Golf rules are so dumb sometimes.
rulefan
Tour Winner
Do you believe that players should be able to give or take advice at ant time?
Colin L
Tour Winner
Can you tell us whether you think that players should be allowed to give and ask for advice from anyone at any time during their round as Rulefan has asked;
or,
if you agree that players should not be able to give or ask for advice during their round, can you tell us when before a round the prohibition should come into effect that would be smart rather than dumb?
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
So in theory you could discus what club to hit on every tee before you hit your tee shot on the first.
That seems a bit strange,
Like “ don’t hit driver on 15th as there is trouble hit 3 woodâ€.
That seems a bit strange,
Like “ don’t hit driver on 15th as there is trouble hit 3 woodâ€.
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Colin L
Tour Winner
In theory or in practice. I think there is a tendency to get hung up on the "conversation on the first tee" because it is so close to your round starting, and that makes it feel strange, but the discussion at that point is not different from one in the locker room before going out, or in a car on the way to the course, or in the bar a week before. Which has been said before in this thread, I'm sure.
Either advice can be asked for and given during a round or it isn't permitted. At the moment it isn't - which might be dumb according to the individual's view. But if it isn't, there has to be an absolutely clear cut-off point after which the rule becomes active. Your first stroke is certainly clear. A stroke is defined in the rules and so we know precisely when the first one is made and where it is made. It is verifiable. A cut-off earlier than that would be impractical as players could be all over the place and it would be impossible to apply the rule. Now that would be dumb.
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ManinBlack
Tour Winner
I agree, and an easy solution would be to define the stipulated round as starting when the players step onto the tee or at the starting time of their round or 5 minutes before.
rulefan
Tour Winner
1) Do you mean put a foot in the teeing ground? How otherwise do you identify 'the tee'?
2) Starting times may be delayed if the starter sees the group ahead in trouble. Sometimes groups start early. Does that mean they can give advice whilst waking down the fairway?
3) In many competitions where the tee is near the clubhouse, the players are not on the tee 5 minutes. Who checks them whilst they are walking to the tee?
The present rule has stood the test of time. Why change?
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
Same 'problem' though isn't it:
6 minutes prior to teeing off you can ask for/receive advice
One step away from teeing ground you can ask for/receive advice
Prior to making a stroke at your 1st hole you can ask for/receive advice
Whats the difference... except what 'seems best' from your personal perspective/mindset. They're all in very close proximity to a round starting
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Deleted member 15344
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Blimey - seems a bit of a fuss over nothing really.
How many people on here have every really "given or taken" advice just before you start a game ?! I suspect pretty much no one - whats the point ? I dont think i have ever recalled anyone discussing in all seriousness what club they should take of the first tee in a comp. Seems a bit of nonsense of nothing and going to the R&A ? really :rofl:
How many people on here have every really "given or taken" advice just before you start a game ?! I suspect pretty much no one - whats the point ? I dont think i have ever recalled anyone discussing in all seriousness what club they should take of the first tee in a comp. Seems a bit of nonsense of nothing and going to the R&A ? really :rofl:
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
We seem to be going round in circles...almost a week later
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
yes I do see the logic in that!In theory or in practice. I think there is a tendency to get hung up on the "conversation on the first tee" because it is so close to your round starting, and that makes it feel strange, but the discussion at that point is not different from one in the locker room before going out, or in a car on the way to the course, or in the bar a week before. Which has been said before in this thread, I'm sure.
Either advice can be asked for and given during a round or it isn't permitted. At the moment it isn't - which might be dumb according to the individual's view. But if it isn't, there has to be an absolutely clear cut-off point after which the rule becomes active. Your first stroke is certainly clear. A stroke is defined in the rules and so we know precisely when the first one is made and where it is made. It is verifiable. A cut-off earlier than that would be impractical as players could be all over the place and it would be impossible to apply the rule. Now that would be dumb.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
I do recall fairly recently before teeing off in an away match discussing with one of my team-mates what club to take off the 1st. It was a short dog-leg par 4 and looked easy to overshot the dog-leg
chrisd
Major Champion
I do recall fairly recently before teeing off in an away match discussing with one of my team-mates what club to take off the 1st. It was a short dog-leg par 4 and looked easy to overshot the dog-leg
So fine, you can chat about it, as can the entire field so no one gains or loses.
Colin L
Tour Winner
Whenever there is a cut-off point in any context, you will get some people finding fault with it because they were on one side of it, and others because they were on the other. The important matter, as said, is that the cut-off point is precise and clear.
Crazyface
Tour Winner
Agreed. Stop this sillyness immediately!!!!
The discussion on the first tee should be, and in my case is, limited to:-
1. The state one or more of playing partners and just how they got in such a state (last nights escapades not so much myself these days).
2. The handicaps of each of the playing partners. (who are the bandits)
3. Oooooo, new shinies!!!!
4. Clothing attire. (Brightness. This is usually me. "has anyone seen CF?")
5. The current health of each other (beware the injured golfer) and their games.
THAT'S IT!
Now stop it!!!!!
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Indeed - just saying that I don't think it rare that players having a chat about clubbing before teeing off on the 1st.
