Ethan
Money List Winner
In the rules, gaining an advantage means something explicit, such as a better lie or avoiding a hazard. It is not assumed that players can measure their shots to the exact yard.
Tiger to be DQ'd?
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In the rules, gaining an advantage means something explicit, such as a better lie or avoiding a hazard. It is not assumed that players can measure their shots to the exact yard.
duncan mackie
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here is where the scope for real problems lies - if TW decides to clarify what he said earlier as 'I went back to where I played it from with, as I stated previously, the intention of taking 2 yards off my shot the second time" and puts any confusion over the exact words he previously used down to just having walked off a very long (slow) stressfull round......he stays in without penalty and the world will be split between those who believe it's all fair and those scratching their heads!
maybe I'm in la la land, but I actually think the TW is bigger than this - we will see.
Tiger was making no effort to be close to the spot. Clearly he thought he could go backas far as he wished.
BTatHome
Tour Winner
That's true, the rule change was specifically to allow the officials to add the penalty to the players score, without incurring the DQ penalty.
This could be the get out clause the officials have this time.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...fied-for-violations-caught-by-tv-viewers.html
The decision means players who aren’t aware of a rule breach before signing their scorecard won’t automatically be removed from the competition, the groups said. Tournament officials now have the option to give the player a penalty for breaking the rule, but not disqualify them.
The decision means players who aren’t aware of a rule breach before signing their scorecard won’t automatically be removed from the competition, the groups said. Tournament officials now have the option to give the player a penalty for breaking the rule, but not disqualify them.
pbrown7582
Money List Winner
It was to do with intentional and unintentionally infringements, it was after padraig got d'qd for his ball oscillating an ion and being picked up on HD, and camillio kicking a divot out of the way after a drop.
Both resulted in dq but now I think padraig would be 2 shot pen as unintentional.
So will Tiger not be a two shot addition rather dq now ?
His playing from the wrong spot was clearly unintentional (due to his mistake about the point where the ball last crossed the hazard - stupid from a pro golfer - but still a mistake. He was not trying to get away with a deliberate cheat for the sake of a couple of yards).
Can't believe anyone would want to see Tiger DQ from the Masters it would be boring without him and golf would be half the sport it is now!!!
Colin L
Tour Winner
Some misunderstandings there, Fader.
Playing further back could well be advantageous - a better lie, a better angle, playing from the exact distance of your club, avoiding, as Crow points out, a repetition of the same shot.
The fact that there were other options available is entirely irrelevant to getting the one you choose wrong. Presumably Woods did not take either of the others because they were less advantageous to him.
A referee is obliged to intervene at the time if an infringement occurs (See Definitions: A “referee’’ is one who is appointed by the Committee to decide questions of fact and apply the Rules. He must act on any breach of a Rule that he observes or is reported to him.
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
Shouldn't be too much of a problem finding where he played his shot from. I understand he hit a wedge, I'd expect a divot weighing several kilos to have been removed
He found the spot and went two yards back, he admitted it.
Colin L
Tour Winner
He would not be disqualified for breaching 27-1 by not playing as nearly as possible to where he last played. If the ruling is that he did breach the rule, he is penalised 2 strokes. His problem is that he has submitted his card without the penalty and has therefore submitted a score at the hole less than he took. He would be disqualified for that (Rule 6-6d)
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
Absolutely spot on regarding advantage, he know the shot and knew 2 yards back would produce a better result so he gained an advantage
Neddy
Challenge Tour Pro
Not sure i agree. The first one had so much backspin i think it could have been just as close had it not hit the flag.
Moving back was probably a psychological thing as much as anything else.
And it doesn't look anything like 2 yards on the pictures i've seen.
Yes. He has breached the rule and signed the card. But not intentionally and the breach only came to light after the fact. Penalty to be applied retrospectively rather than dg as used to be is a tour rule, not a R&A rule.
bobmac
Major Champion
Irrelevant.
He got the rule wrong.
Signed for a wrong score
DQ
If Tiger doesn't DQ himself today I will be amazed but not surprised
bobmac
Major Champion
I expect his management team will advise him to withdraw but Tiger will probably think he can get away with it
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
And so they should.
Absolutely, why would he say he went back 2 yards further if he'd known he couldn't.
He's signed for a wrong score, that's why DQ not for the drop itself.
Nonsense, rules are rules and have to be applied to everyone. It would apply to any other player. The masters will still produce an exciting finish withor without tiger, I'm sure we all enjoyed last year.
But no dq if the rules state that he should receive a 2 shot retrospective penalty and play. Right ?
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
But they don't say that in the rules. He's signed for an incorrect score if they deem the drop illegal which they should do.
This is not a grey area IMO, 2 yards is not as close as possible to the original position.
