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Tiger to be DQ'd?

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Taken from the Golf writer of ESPN.


Tiger Woods got a bad break when his approach shot to the par-5 15th green bounced off the flag stick and into the water during Friday's second round.

He might also have taken a bad drop.

Masters officials are expected to review the situation Saturday morning, which could lead to disqualification if it is deemed Woods dropped the ball in the wrong spot.

Because Woods signed his scorecard for a 1-under 71 without adding the 1-stroke penalty, he would be disqualified because he put a six on his scorecard instead of a seven.

Woods had 87 yards to the hole for his third shot and saw his ball hit the flag stick and then roll back off the green and into the water.

Under Rule 26-1, Woods had three options at the yellow-staked (not lateral) hazard, which is a pond that fronts the green:

• He could have played from a designated drop area, which he chose not to do because he did not like the lie.

• He could have dropped the ball, keeping the point at which it last crossed the margin of the water between the hole and the spot on which the ball would be dropped. Since the ball entered the water well left of Woods' position from the fairway, it would seem he did not choose this option, which would have allowed him to drop on a straight line as far back as he wanted.

• Or he could return to the original spot from which he played, and drop "as nearly as possible'' from where he played the third shot.

This is the option Woods took, and in interviews afterwards, he said he dropped "two yards'' behind the original spot. Replays seemed to suggest he was closer than that, but the question is if that is considered "as nearly as possible'' to the original spot.

On a CBS-TV highlights show late Friday night, analyst David Feherty showed the replay and said he believed the drop was illegal.

Augusta National officials were not available for comment early Saturday morning, but golf's rules officials typically review any possible violations brought to their attention.
 

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good old golf, the rules are more complicated than the british tax system :p

There's nothing really complicated about 27-1, is there?

At any time, a player may, under penalty of one stroke, play a ball as nearly as possible at the spot from which the original ball was last played

He either did or didn't play from as nearly as possible. The "Committee" will decide. Pretty simple really!
 
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A different point but relating to Woods at the Masters - what does everyone think of the fact that after his 3 putt on 18, his reaction was to walk to the side of the green, have a good swill round in his mouth then launch a big gob of spit and phlegm onto the hallowed turf.

As ever, utterly charmless. Fingers crossed he gets disqualified.
 

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How do you know there are not meetings and calls going on in the background as we speak, especially due to the time difference. Someone will run it very soon I think, they'll be just covering themselves first, dotting the I's and crossing the T's.

Thats a fair point , but His round ended nearly 9 or 10 hours ago I just feel that sky would've mentioned this wether true or not. I personally don't want this to happen ££££££
 

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Thanks for the quotation, Fish. Just to correct one bit of it:

Because Woods signed his scorecard for a 1-under 71 without adding the 1-stroke penalty, he would be disqualified because he put a six on his scorecard instead of a seven.

It would be a 2 stroke penalty.
 

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Having plainly said what he did, ie dropped two yards further back, then I can't see any way forward other than DQ.

The rules oficials following would have seen him drop and it would have looked as though he'd dropped correctly as he didn't say to them "I'm going to drop two yards further back". They wouldn't know that he'd deliberately dropped two yards further back unitl he later said so in his interview.

I assume that the reason he did it was so that he wouldn't hit the flag with his second attempt.
To me it's a careless misunderstanding/oversight of the rules by Tiger in thinknig he could go back as far as he likes, unfortunate for the competition but has to be DQ.

Don't we always say that the best golfers haven't necessarily got the best understanding of the rules!
 

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Tough one this. If it was me trying to identify the exact spot on the fairway would be tricky; within 2 yards wouldn't be a bad estimate and I certainly wouldn't penalise a playing partner for such a drop... Unless there was an obvious marker near where the original shot was played. Not always easy to identify the correct divot... Of course when the ball goes in the water it might be prudent to mark where you've just played from but how many have the presence of mind to do that?

Real problem seems to be the interview. He found the original spot then went two yards further back basically to gain an advantage for his next shot, although probably more an oversight than deliberate cheating. Looks like a DQ. As others have said, it wouldn't surprise me if he calls it on himself when he wakes up and realises. A shame though and between this and the guan thing golf will be looking a wee bit silly.....
 

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To me it's a careless misunderstanding/oversight of the rules by Tiger in thinknig he could go back as far as he likes, unfortunate for the competition but has to be DQ.

Don't we always say that the best golfers haven't necessarily got the best understanding of the rules!

Yes, indeed. He was probably just getting confused with the option (26-1b) of going any distance back along the line from hole to where the ball entered the hazard. I often wonder about caddies in this kind of situation: if I were a top golfer like Woods, I would make sure my caddie was pretty expert in the rules and expect him/her to keep me right.
 

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I think that the penalty for Guan puts a greater focus on the question of applying rules evenly, but I can't see TW getting DQ'd.

Also, I would be very surprised if both he and an experienced caddy like Joe La Cava would get the rule so wrong.

Finally, it would be nice if we could discuss TW related matters like grown ups without people piling in and describing anyone with the negative view, in this case saying he should be DQ'd, as a hater.
 

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I maybe wrong but if he has hit the ball into a hazard is one option not to replay the shot from as far back as you like in a straight line with the flag?
 

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Just a thought on this......

presumably they will have to act very quickly as it could affect tee times? Play is in 2 balls now so if he is dq'd they will have to alter the groupings? Or will a marker play in his place?
 

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I maybe wrong but if he has hit the ball into a hazard is one option not to replay the shot from as far back as you like in a straight line with the flag?

Half correct.

The line is with the flag and the place it last crossed the line of the hazard.
 

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I maybe wrong but if he has hit the ball into a hazard is one option not to replay the shot from as far back as you like in a straight line with the flag?

Yes. But the straight line has to keep the place where the ball last crossed the margin in line with the hole. In this case, the ball last crossed the margin when it rebounded from the flag which would have take him out to the left not to where he dropped.
 

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I maybe wrong but if he has hit the ball into a hazard is one option not to replay the shot from as far back as you like in a straight line with the flag?

It's more a straight line
Flag > point where ball crossed margin of hazard > back as far as he likes.

AFAIK, the ball entered off at an angle from his approach, so line extends off the side
 
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A shame though and between this and the guan thing golf will be looking a wee bit silly.....

Why - because the rules have been upheld? I actually think golf would actually come out the better for it; shows no-one is bigger than the game. I think Woods for one would also agree with that. The Guan slow play ruling was unfortunate, but the young lad took it on the chin and accepted it.
 

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Ah ok. I've not seen the incident just thought it must have popped back straight, if that's the case and he deliberately broke the rule then he has to be dq'd
 
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