triple_bogey
Tour Rookie
This is one of life's great questions. Golf on a amateur level is one of the most backstabbing/two-faced sports I've ever played. Not to mention the history of the pro game.
Tiger to be DQ'd?
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This is one of life's great questions. Golf on a amateur level is one of the most backstabbing/two-faced sports I've ever played. Not to mention the history of the pro game.
Yes you have lets start a thread for the rule breach and see if we can beat 38 pages :rofl:
Edit, this was a reply to Fish thread regarding Duncan's rule breach, my ipad didn't copy it over
Edit, this was a reply to Fish thread regarding Duncan's rule breach, my ipad didn't copy it over
Colin L
Tour Winner
Thanks Duncan. I was unaware of that additional information you provided when I wrote that - which information puts the whole decision in a very different context. That was a notable failure on the Committee's part and I would agree that a player should not be penalised as a result of it.
fundy
Ryder Cup Winner
Tiger Woods â€@TigerWoods 1m
At hole #15, I took a drop that I thought was correct and in accordance with the rules. I was unaware at that time I had violated any rules.
Tiger Woods â€@TigerWoods 46s
I didn’t know I had taken an incorrect drop prior to signing my scorecard. Subsequently, I met with the Masters Committee Saturday morning..
Tiger Woods â€@TigerWoods 25s
and was advised they had reviewed the incident prior to the completion of my round. Their initial determination...
Tiger Woods â€@TigerWoods 21s
was that there was no violation, but they had additional concerns based on my post-round interview. After discussing the situation...
Tiger Woods â€@TigerWoods 36s
...with them this morning, I was assessed a two-shot penalty. I understand and accept the penalty and respect the Committees’ decision.
At hole #15, I took a drop that I thought was correct and in accordance with the rules. I was unaware at that time I had violated any rules.
Tiger Woods â€@TigerWoods 46s
I didn’t know I had taken an incorrect drop prior to signing my scorecard. Subsequently, I met with the Masters Committee Saturday morning..
Tiger Woods â€@TigerWoods 25s
and was advised they had reviewed the incident prior to the completion of my round. Their initial determination...
Tiger Woods â€@TigerWoods 21s
was that there was no violation, but they had additional concerns based on my post-round interview. After discussing the situation...
Tiger Woods â€@TigerWoods 36s
...with them this morning, I was assessed a two-shot penalty. I understand and accept the penalty and respect the Committees’ decision.
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This, most amateur golfers are nobs :rofl:
Jackooo
Assistant Pro
Lets not forget that a zoom lens alters distance and perspective when fully zoomed in!
lyden
Head Pro
As long as this is a consistent ruling throughout the game I see no issues. Rules are rules but sometimes they are overly penal based on the breach committed.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
I still don't buy it.
The officials, after being alerted by a viewer, review the drop and decide that no rule has been broken.
On the face of it - End of Story
When Tiger tells the World that he dropped a couple of yards further back - ie effectively admitting he broke a rule - they have another look and decide that he actually has broken a rule.
How did they fail to tell Tiger he'd broken a rule if they'd reviewed it and decided he hadn't?
The "Viewer" part of this becomes irrelevent as soon as the Officials reviewed the drop and decided No Foul. Trial by TV is over.
So they only review again after Tiger states he dropped 2 yards further back.
They then come out and say that a Rule has been broken.
So, therefore, Tiger has signed for an incorrect score.......
The officials, after being alerted by a viewer, review the drop and decide that no rule has been broken.
On the face of it - End of Story
When Tiger tells the World that he dropped a couple of yards further back - ie effectively admitting he broke a rule - they have another look and decide that he actually has broken a rule.
How did they fail to tell Tiger he'd broken a rule if they'd reviewed it and decided he hadn't?
The "Viewer" part of this becomes irrelevent as soon as the Officials reviewed the drop and decided No Foul. Trial by TV is over.
So they only review again after Tiger states he dropped 2 yards further back.
They then come out and say that a Rule has been broken.
So, therefore, Tiger has signed for an incorrect score.......
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
Still not tigers fault though.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Not saying it is Chris - not at all.
The Masters Tournament Committee have dropped a huge one.
triple_bogey
Tour Rookie
Now imagine if he went on to win it all? Heart attacks all around.................:rofl::rofl:
I just read all this,now is he making out he's the HONEST one :rofl:
PhilTheFragger
Provider of Entertainment for the Golfing Gods 🙄
In your opinion, but not in the opinion of the committee, which is the one that counts.
It is now a moot point, Tiger is still in the masters, that 1 shot has cost him 4 shots, otherwise he would be 1 off the lead, rather than 5 down. game On
Im looking forward to watching later,
Crow
Crow Person
From the BBC website:
Fred Ridley, the chairman of the Masters competition committee, has released a statement detailing his reasons for penalising Tiger Woods two shots despite the four-time winner apparently revealing that he had knowingly dropped the ball illegally yesterday.
Basically Tiger gets off because the officials made an even bigger mistake.
"In preparation for his fifth shot, the player dropped his ball in close proximity to where he had played his third shot in apparent conformance with Rule 26," said Ridley.
"After being prompted by a television viewer, the Rules Committee reviewed a video of the shot while he was playing the 18th hole. At that moment and based on that evidence, the Committee determined he had complied with the Rules.
"The subsequent information provided by the player's interview after he had completed play warranted further review and discussion with him this morning...the penalty of disqualification was waived by the Committee under Rule 33 as the Committee had previously reviewed the information and made its initial determination prior to the finish of the player's round."
I still don't see how this is a reason for not DQing him. They initially acted on the information available at the time, then further information became available which changed the scenario and quite simply they should have DQ'd him.
Embarassing for all parties but as Tiger said when asked about Guan, rules are rules.
Fred Ridley, the chairman of the Masters competition committee, has released a statement detailing his reasons for penalising Tiger Woods two shots despite the four-time winner apparently revealing that he had knowingly dropped the ball illegally yesterday.
Basically Tiger gets off because the officials made an even bigger mistake.
"In preparation for his fifth shot, the player dropped his ball in close proximity to where he had played his third shot in apparent conformance with Rule 26," said Ridley.
"After being prompted by a television viewer, the Rules Committee reviewed a video of the shot while he was playing the 18th hole. At that moment and based on that evidence, the Committee determined he had complied with the Rules.
"The subsequent information provided by the player's interview after he had completed play warranted further review and discussion with him this morning...the penalty of disqualification was waived by the Committee under Rule 33 as the Committee had previously reviewed the information and made its initial determination prior to the finish of the player's round."
I still don't see how this is a reason for not DQing him. They initially acted on the information available at the time, then further information became available which changed the scenario and quite simply they should have DQ'd him.
Embarassing for all parties but as Tiger said when asked about Guan, rules are rules.
Bucket92
Challenge Tour Pro
Apparently the committee discussed his drop BEFORE his round was completed and they thought it was fine and decided that no penalty should be given. Then only AFTER the round and after he'd signed his scorecard did they realise that he's dropped behind his original spot. So they decided to give him the 2 stroke penalty instead of disqualification. This seems fair to me, I don't think Tiger did it on purpose thinking he could get away with no one seeing it.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
And that of many, many others.......
triple_bogey
Tour Rookie
ooooooohhhhhhhhh, I can already feel the tension at the Christmas table :whoo:
Wow, more pages than the 'Thatcher' thread in one morning...............:clap:
Slime
Tour Winner
He dropped the ball further away specifically to gain an advantage, at least that's what Woods himself said in his interview.
I have no more oppostion to that 'tradition' as I would to a women only golf club, gym, social club, busines club etc.
If women want a male free club of any description, that'd be thier choice and I would have no objection to that.
:rofl:
Slime.
lyden
Head Pro
Its only an infringement because he said he did it on purpose, if he said nothing then he didn't break a rule. Are people on the tiger witch hunt because they've bet on someone else?
triple_bogey
Tour Rookie
No, they just hate Tiger 'the man'
