Tiger to be DQ'd?

[AmandaJR]

I've not read all the posts - way too many to wade through! I don't think Tiger is a cheat (at golf!) so his drop away from the original spot was a mistake and a 2 shot penalty sufficient punishment. The fact they reviewed it - no doubt in HD/3D/SloMo yet thought it not sufficiently away from the original spot to call it a foul would, for me, be the end of it and a retrospective 2 shot penalty never mind a DQ harsh!

I hope it doesn't affect his play for the weekend and the best golfer at the end of Sunday, whoever that is, wins what remains, imho, a great tournament...

 

[bladeplayer]

The game / tournament needs him, if I was in the field I wouldn't want him dq`d

would you change the cut mark for him also ?

For the record id go with the decision made by the committe , they will have good grounds to make that call or they wouldnt risk making it ..

 

[Imurg]

would you change the cut mark for him also ?

Mmmmm...

There's a thought.......

 

[shivas irons]

How do these people know where to call?
Do they have the number of the Chairman of the Rules committee or something...?

The Golf channel just stated that two viewers phoned up Augusta.Hows that done"Eh I'd like to speak to somebody about ruining the chances of the greatest player ever winning another major"...........

 

[6inchcup]

I've not read all the posts - way too many to wade through! I don't think Tiger is a cheat (at golf!) so his drop away from the original spot was a mistake and a 2 shot penalty sufficient punishment. The fact they reviewed it - no doubt in HD/3D/SloMo yet thought it not sufficiently away from the original spot to call it a foul would, for me, be the end of it and a retrospective 2 shot penalty never mind a DQ harsh!

I hope it doesn't affect his play for the weekend and the best golfer at the end of Sunday, whoever that is, wins what remains, imho, a great tournament...

they didn't have to use anytv evidence HE admitted what he had done in a press conference after the round,they were just using the tv ploy to cover up their decision of a 2 shot penalty as this is the only time this rule can be used,everyone knows what he said and thus he should by the rules of golf be automatically DQ'D.

 

[NWJocko]

If and it is still a big IF, should Woods go on and win now how much furore and argument will there be. I do feel a little of the magic of the Masters has been lost. It seems that the committe at Augusta really do feel they are bigger than the game. Wrong decision. I have loved watching Woods play close to his best for the first two rounds but an incorrect drop, signing a wrong score is DQ. End of

Have you read the explanation!? Can everyone just do that to avoid going round in circles......

The fault lies with the committee not tiger. I am in no way a fan of woods to clarify.

 

[Andy808]

they didn't have to use anytv evidence HE admitted what he had done in a press conference after the round,they were just using the tv ploy to cover up their decision of a 2 shot penalty as this is the only time this rule can be used,everyone knows what he said and thus he should by the rules of golf be automatically DQ'D.

I would say someone told him between signing his card and the interview....

WOODS STATEMENT ABOUT TWO-SHOT PENALTYTiger Woods: "I didn't know I had taken an incorrect drop prior to signing my scorecard. Subsequently, I met with the Masters Committee Saturday morning and was advised they had reviewed the incident prior to the completion of my round.

"Their initial determination was that there was no violation, but they had additional concerns based on my post-round interview. After discussing the situation with them this morning, I was assessed a two-shot penalty. I understand and accept the penalty and respect the Committees' decision."

 

[Slime]

The camera's and coverage will now be all over Tiger to see if this has mentality affected him, all the way to the 18th!

No change there then!
He should play fair and DQ himself.

Slime.

 

[6inchcup]

I would say someone told him between signing his card and the interview....

so someone must have had their doubts about the drop or why else revue it before he had finished his round?smacks like the masters committee have done a cover up.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

I don't think for a second that Tiger did anything other than make a mistake. No way was this is deliberate.

Still, people get DQ'd for innocent mistakes. So is the ANGC decision fair? Actually I think it is and I am no Tiger lover. Hopefully the same decision would have been made if it had been David Lynn or some other lesser light.

If it was some other lesser light, it wouldn't have been on TV and we'd never known it happened and they wouldn't even have got the 2 shot penalty, let alone have half the world calling for their disqualification

 

[G1BB0]

as stated previously and by others, the decision has been made, lets move on and enjoy the rest of the tournament :thup:

 

[Piece]

If it was some other lesser light, it wouldn't have been on TV and we'd never known it happened and they wouldn't even have got the 2 shot penalty, let alone have half the world calling for their disqualification

Good point. You have to wonder what may have been going on pre full TV coverage. By Googling 'Gary Player cheats' does bring up a lot of very interesting going-ons!

 

[Fish]

Not the first time Augusta officials make up there own rules...


http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-tour...iger-drop-fiasco-dow-finsterwald-in-1960.html

 

[6inchcup]

Good point. You have to wonder what may have been going on pre full TV coverage. By Googling 'Gary Player cheats' does bring up a lot of very interesting going-ons!

the question we should ask if WOODS didn't know!!!!!!!!! it wasn't ok to drop a ball no were near were it should have been dropped,how many times has he done it before?

 

[USER1999]

Not the first time Augusta officials make up there own rules...


http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-tour...iger-drop-fiasco-dow-finsterwald-in-1960.html

But they haven't made up any rules. There is scope within the rules to do what has been done.

 

[lyden]

would you change the cut mark for him also ?

For the record id go with the decision made by the committe , they will have good grounds to make that call or they wouldnt risk making it ..

Not at all but I think we all know had this not happened tiger would have gone on to win and easily. In my personal opinion he gained no advantage so why would I want to win my green jacket by default. I'd want it because when alls said and done I was the best player.

 

[Colin L]

this decision STINKS,he broke the rules ,admitted in a press conference what he had done,then the MASTERS committee running scared used a rule that has no duristinction in this case to let him carry on,if it had been a lesser light or a european player they would have DQ'D them without fail,this just proves that THE MASTERS should not be a major and that once again it shows WOODS has no morals or integrity,and for all those that say he did nothing wrong and keep trying to justify what he did,would you cheat in a comp?

What a remarkable rant. Try reading the account of what happened. The Committee determined - eventually - that he dropped in the wrong place and incurred a 2 stroke penalty. The normal penalty of DQ for handing in an incorrect card was waived because in the first place, before the card was handed in, the Committee had determined there was no breach. The decision to penalise him was not made till later: the player should not face DQ because the Committee muddled it up. You might be of the opinion that the Committee should not have waived the DQ, but you have absolutely no grounds to say that Woods cheated.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Not at all but I think we all know had this not happened tiger would have gone on to win and easily.

What world do you live in boyo?

We all know..........I don't think so.

 

[JustOne]

having finally found this myself (I couln't read the version Fish kindly posted earlier) I can now understand, and agree, the decision.

basically the committee screwed up big time in not raising the matter, that they had been made aware of and discussed, with the player before he signed his card.

this 'error' by the committee meant that the player did not get the opportunity to hold up his hand to a 2 shot penalty at the time, and sign for a correct score.

the use of the particular decision then related the lack of facts known to the committee, who have made their decsion on the basis of the wrong facts because they didn't ask for the right ones at the right time - rather than the player.

convoluted, but valid.

having read every post on this thread many times I can't help feeling that the nuances here aren't going to travel well!

however, I'm convinced that the committee have now done the right thing (having done the wrong thing) and if anything they have put Tiger in a place he doesn't deserve to be in.

there will be many who neither understand, or want to understand, but that's life.

I think it's just you, me and Murphthemog who understand.

Tiger should have been informed that he was under investigation for taking an illegal drop (and questioned about it) prior to signing his card OR taking interviews. The fault is with the committee who have it in their RIGHTS to administer a 2 shot penalty rather than a DQ - that's it.

No Tiger hating required, it's not his fault but he DID drop incorrectly and I expect WOULD have taken a penalty had it been bought to his attention within time.

 

[triple_bogey]

Some just cannot see past the hate..............

This incident should had been treated the same as Dustin Johnson's at the 2010 PGA. Inform him of the wrongdoing before the card goes in. Hence DJ keeping his top 10 position and prize money. As stated before, the committee knew of the incident before Tiger finished his round.