USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
If the officials had dq'ed tiger, he would have held his hand up and walked. They didn't. So he plays this weekend. it's not his call. They rule, he goes with the ruling. What has he done wrong?
Tiger to be DQ'd?
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bobmac
Major Champion
When Tiger dropped 'incorrectly', a viewer contacted the Masters and reported it. The committee reviewed the evidence and ruled he had "complied with the rules"
After the interview, it was obvious that Tiger had not dropped at the nearest point, hence the 2 shot penalty.
http://www.masters.com/en_US/news/articles/2013-04-13/201304131365864008839.html
After the interview, it was obvious that Tiger had not dropped at the nearest point, hence the 2 shot penalty.
http://www.masters.com/en_US/news/articles/2013-04-13/201304131365864008839.html
LIG
Q-School Graduate
+1
It's decisions of this ilk that remind everyone of one their older traditions - no women members!
MegaSteve
Tour Winner
Think 'the masters' has always picked and choosed its own way of making/applying rules... Mostly they're right... On this occasion I am not so sure...
Crow
Crow Person
I don't recall saying they should shout abuse, and ineed, my post proves that.
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MetalMickie
Guest
We are in agreement.
My complaint lies with the organisers and their interpretation of the rules, I have no problem with Tiger.
LIG
Q-School Graduate
He's made a numpty of himself by doing something soooooo stooooopid as dropping incorrectly AND he's being dis-honorable by not withdrawing. That IS up to him!
It seems to be moving towards the officials now making an error.
American commentators are stating that, as per the committee's statement, if they did know he made an error with dropping the ball in the wrong place whilst he was still in play, which the statement clearly makes reference to, then an official should have approached Tiger on the 16th or 17th tee's and state to him that he has made an error and needs to score an 8 for the 15th and the marker then amends his score but he is then fully abreast of matters before coming in and signing!
American commentators are stating that, as per the committee's statement, if they did know he made an error with dropping the ball in the wrong place whilst he was still in play, which the statement clearly makes reference to, then an official should have approached Tiger on the 16th or 17th tee's and state to him that he has made an error and needs to score an 8 for the 15th and the marker then amends his score but he is then fully abreast of matters before coming in and signing!
doublebogey7
Head Pro
Absolutely not, but ignorance of the rules had never and should never be a defence.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
If the viewer was watching the same pictures I was watching there is no way they could have had any idea that dropped in the wrong place. The cameras are not fixed so viewing angles change...
My cynical mind sees the "viewer" being invented to give them a way out....
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
Are we back to this mythical 'spirit of golf' guff?
The officials make a ruling, the player plays according to the ruling.
Colin L
Tour Winner
Just in from doing something useful in the garden this afternoon. Half a mug of coffee before I reached page 33!
Most of the posts I've skimmed through are debating the wrong thing. There is now no debate that Tiger breached Rule 26, the Committee has determined that he did; there is no debate that he cops a 2 stroke penalty for that; there is no debate that he therefore handed in a scorecard which breached Rule 6-6d; there is no debate that the penalty for that breach is disqualification; but, and this is the important but, there is no debate that the Committee has the power within the Rules of Golf to waive a disqualification for individual and exceptional reasons (Rule 33-7).
The only debate really is whether the Masters Committee was right to determine that in this instance there were justifiable individual and exceptional reasons to waive the disqualification. Its decision, I take it, was made in the context of the "trial by television" consideration.
Most of the posts I've skimmed through are debating the wrong thing. There is now no debate that Tiger breached Rule 26, the Committee has determined that he did; there is no debate that he cops a 2 stroke penalty for that; there is no debate that he therefore handed in a scorecard which breached Rule 6-6d; there is no debate that the penalty for that breach is disqualification; but, and this is the important but, there is no debate that the Committee has the power within the Rules of Golf to waive a disqualification for individual and exceptional reasons (Rule 33-7).
The only debate really is whether the Masters Committee was right to determine that in this instance there were justifiable individual and exceptional reasons to waive the disqualification. Its decision, I take it, was made in the context of the "trial by television" consideration.
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
having finally found this myself (I couln't read the version Fish kindly posted earlier) I can now understand, and agree, the decision.
basically the committee screwed up big time in not raising the matter, that they had been made aware of and discussed, with the player before he signed his card.
this 'error' by the committee meant that the player did not get the opportunity to hold up his hand to a 2 shot penalty at the time, and sign for a correct score.
the use of the particular decision then related the lack of facts known to the committee, who have made their decsion on the basis of the wrong facts because they didn't ask for the right ones at the right time - rather than the player.
convoluted, but valid.
having read every post on this thread many times I can't help feeling that the nuances here aren't going to travel well!
however, I'm convinced that the committee have now done the right thing (having done the wrong thing) and if anything they have put Tiger in a place he doesn't deserve to be in.
there will be many who neither understand, or want to understand, but that's life.
Which is what the USA commentators are now saying as in my #328
Fader
Tour Winner
So now people are saying tiger has no integrity unless he walks away just brilliant.
He doesn't make the rules or decisions the tournament committee and USGA officials do and have done that. Now all he needs do is get out there put on his A game and shut up all the whining old gits that are just bitter he's getting back to his best an likely can break their saviour mr Nicklaus record.
It just amazes me how many were saying just last night what a wonderful recovery he made, no mention of the drop or rules. But he makes an honest statement and the wolves circle vilifying him and demanding his DQ or walk away. Brilliant.
I wasn't wanting him to win this week at start of the event but now I hope he digs deep and comes through the pack to win to give all those that dislike him something else to gripe about.
He doesn't make the rules or decisions the tournament committee and USGA officials do and have done that. Now all he needs do is get out there put on his A game and shut up all the whining old gits that are just bitter he's getting back to his best an likely can break their saviour mr Nicklaus record.
It just amazes me how many were saying just last night what a wonderful recovery he made, no mention of the drop or rules. But he makes an honest statement and the wolves circle vilifying him and demanding his DQ or walk away. Brilliant.
I wasn't wanting him to win this week at start of the event but now I hope he digs deep and comes through the pack to win to give all those that dislike him something else to gripe about.
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
no
it was in the context of the committee's failure to discuss the situation with the player before he signed his card having been made aware it it - which they recognise was a failure on their part.
Fader
Tour Winner
Well said that man.
They make the decisions he abides by it but still in the wrong in some people's eyes you really couldn't make it up could you.
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
possibly, but I started typing at #324 and don't have multiple thread windows open, or even the TV switched on!
gmc40
Head Pro
I also have suspicions that the 'viewer' they refer to is a figment of someone's imagination.
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possibly, but I started typing at #324 and don't have multiple thread windows open, or even the TV switched on!
You need to get more than 2 fingers going on that keyboard Duncan
You have accrued an infraction for slow typing and slowing the forum down
