Thoughts?

[Orikoru]

He was in for half that.

I agree that people should be afforded the opportunity to get on with their lives, but i wouldn't let a sex offender anywhere near children. They've made a mistake, if that impacts their life forever and makes it worse. So be it.

Apologies, Google let me down. Point still stands though, if he reoffended he'd be in for a lot longer.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Well the point is prison is a deterrent. Having served 6 years for the crime, I do believe he wouldn't reoffend and risk serving even longer a second time.

If you believe in allowing him to reintegrate into society, then that means allowing him to join a golf club.

You’re missing the point, YES he should be allowed to reintegrate, but it should be under societies rules, not his.
Somehow you’ve decided you believe he won’t reoffend, I don’t think we should give him an opportunity based on a feeling you have.

All Juniors regardless of age should be protected from him.

I’m sure when some blokes saw him with his very attractive wife they’d of put their mortgage on him not needing a child to satisfy him.

 

[Orikoru]

You’re missing the point, YES he should be allowed to reintegrate, but it should be under societies rules, not his.
Somehow you’ve decided you believe he won’t reoffend, I don’t think we should give him an opportunity based on a feeling you have.

All Juniors regardless of age should be protected from him.

I’m sure when some blokes saw him with his very attractive wife they’d of put their mortgage on him not needing a child to satisfy him.

The point is this golf club obviously feel the same way. I did say initially I was surprised they haven't put any kind of limitation on him not playing when juniors are playing. But they obviously have full belief that he is rehabilitated. I imagine they would have interviewed him and it MUST have come up in the conversation.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

The point is this golf club obviously feel the same way. I did say initially I was surprised they haven't put any kind of limitation on him not playing when juniors are playing. But they obviously have full belief that he is rehabilitated. I imagine they would have interviewed him and it MUST have come up in the conversation.

I think you are giving too much credit to the golf club there. I can't believe there are people in the golf club qualified to come to that conclusion. Even those in the prison and probation service are going on balances of probability based on his behaviour inside, they can never know 100%. As someone posted earlier, rehabilitation is the aim but I am pleased I was not making the decision.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

The point is this golf club obviously feel the same way. I did say initially I was surprised they haven't put any kind of limitation on him not playing when juniors are playing. But they obviously have full belief that he is rehabilitated. I imagine they would have interviewed him and it MUST have come up in the conversation.

You’re either making it up or simply guessing, how do you know they have full belief he’s rehabilitated? Do you expect them to answer the media and tell them what restrictions if any they’ve placed on him.
The safety of the children will be down to the practises the Club put in place, not what trust they have in him.

 

[HamiltonGuy]

You are the one making excuses for him, ie “one simple mistake” and even above you lessen how he abused her by saying he might of been waiting till she was 16 to sleep with her.

Your first post I responded to was you talking about 8yr Old Juniors, I was merely pointing out that not all Junior Girls are aged 8!

I’m going on facts, he’s a convicted sex offender and his future will be determined by HIS behaviour not whether a Golf Club has good policies or are putting temptation in his way.

Absolutely agree he or anyone serving time for any offence should be allowed to reintegrate in to society, but I’m not prepared to simply guess he won’t reoffend or put the responsibility of his future behaviour on to anyone else but him.

No one is asking you to guess he won’t reoffend. He would have restrictions if the justice system believed he would reoffend. Rather than speculate why not leave it to them about a guy who committed a crime and then served his time

 

[HamiltonGuy]

Everyone has gained information from the sun or the Internet. Neither a particularly reliable source, I doubt any here are criminal psychologists who have interviewed him on his suitability of release there’s a whole lot of conjecture

 

[Deleted member 16999]

No one is asking you to guess he won’t reoffend. He would have restrictions if the justice system believed he would reoffend. Rather than speculate why not leave it to them about a guy who committed a crime and then served his time

You’ve confused me? I’m not trying to talk on behalf of anyone else, I’m giving MY thoughts in response to another poster giving HIS thoughts.
It’s what you do on a forum, our ramblings won’t impact on what Johnson does or does not have placed upon him by the Justice System.

 

[HamiltonGuy]

You’ve confused me? I’m not trying to talk on behalf of anyone else, I’m giving MY thoughts in response to another poster giving HIS thoughts.
It’s what you do on a forum, our ramblings won’t impact on what Johnson does or does not have placed upon him by the Justice System.

I’m well aware but it’s the mock outrage of this forum about a guy playing golf when no one has any knowledge of the case other than gleamed from the Internet

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I think you are giving too much credit to the golf club there. I can't believe there are people in the golf club qualified to come to that conclusion. Even those in the prison and probation service are going on balances of probability based on his behaviour inside, they can never know 100%. As someone posted earlier, rehabilitation is the aim but I am pleased I was not making the decision.

But you'd hope someone in the club or Johnson himself will have mentioned it at the selection process (whatever form that takes at the club in question) and the club has made a judgement call based on that. I guess only time will tell if he can integrate himself with the membership and won't look to reoffend

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Everyone has gained information from the sun or the Internet. Neither a particularly reliable source, I doubt any here are criminal psychologists who have interviewed him on his suitability of release there’s a whole lot of conjecture

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[Deleted member 16999]

I’m well aware but it’s the mock outrage of this forum about a guy playing golf when no one has any knowledge of the case other than gleamed from the Internet

In your opinion.

 

[clubchamp98]

With his conviction and jail term served he has certain rights.
But I would not be happy if my daughter played there.
The club is acting like his probation officer by keeping an eye on him ,that’s not right.
Would they change or modify their practices for anyone else.?

When this sort of thing happens I ask “ would he get a job in a children’s home”? NO.

 

[Orikoru]

You’re either making it up or simply guessing, how do you know they have full belief he’s rehabilitated? Do you expect them to answer the media and tell them what restrictions if any they’ve placed on him.
The safety of the children will be down to the practises the Club put in place, not what trust they have in him.

Do you think they don't know who he is?? If a sex offender applies to your golf club then by virtue of approving him you make a judgement on what danger he poses.

 

[clubchamp98]

Apologies, Google let me down. Point still stands though, if he reoffended he'd be in for a lot longer.

Tell that to the child’s family!

 

[Orikoru]

Tell that to the child’s family!

Which child??

 

[BrianM]

One thing that is a guarantee, there will be a lot worse than Adam Johnson playing in golf clubs up and down the country, just people aren’t aware because there not ‘famous’.

 

[clubchamp98]

Which child??

The one he reoffends with.
To them it won’t matter how long he gets ,only he should not have been given another chance to offend again.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Do you think they don't know who he is?? If a sex offender applies to your golf club then by virtue of approving him you make a judgement on what danger he poses.

I'm in agreement with you. He made a very stupid mistake. One I highly doubt he would make again having served his time for it. He's not a predator who's going to be chasing kiddies around. I understand why the other members would not want him to join. But I don't think he poses a real danger to the junior members.
(Edit) Perhaps they should have made a rule that he can't play on the same days as Junior comp days. If only to placate the rest of the membership.

My responses were initiated by your first reply (which you edited)
Of course they know who he is, but the Club is more than a Golf Club, it holds weddings, does lunches etc is open to the Public, all of those events could include children in attendance.
He could of made all the promises in the world to join that Club, but ultimately they are carrying the risk.
There is no way in this world they can guarantee he wouldn’t reoffend.
Obviously we all hope he doesn’t, I just very much doubt it’s all based in a feeling.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

But you'd hope someone in the club or Johnson himself will have mentioned it at the selection process (whatever form that takes at the club in question) and the club has made a judgement call based on that. I guess only time will tell if he can integrate himself with the membership and won't look to reoffend

Best will in the world, will someone reoffend regarding this issue is quite a deep thing. It would take more than a few questions from untrained golf members to get to the bottom of his true situation. You would hope the club have some restrictions in place.