Think I need to change my spec ..

[harpo_72]

[/URL][/IMG]

[/URL][/IMG]
Really struggling at the moment getting the ball out the centre and on target. The ball goes straight right by about 10 yards. I have developed a draw to counter this, but that seriously isn't the solution.
I am pretty sure the lie is incorrect so I think I will go and have a crack at the 0.5" longer yellow dot spec I tried a few months ago. Unless someone has other suggestions!

 

[Foxholer]

A new Glove?

I'd suggest you get the swing checked out before spending a huge amount on changing clubs - with perhaps little guarantee that that will be the best permanent solution.

 

[Alex1975]

On the face of it you would seem to be correct. I think the 1st pic is the one that really shows something is up...

 

[harpo_72]

A new Glove?

I'd suggest you get the swing checked out before spending a huge amount on changing clubs - with perhaps little guarantee that that will be the best permanent solution.

yup I have looked into that I don't change clubs regularly, I was looking at getting these adjusted but the pro said his loft lie machine was not calibrated and he would call me when it was.
But I have a bit of credit in my pro's shop and could order through him and hopefully the wife won't notice! Plus I will be leaving my present club due to job relocation.

 

[LinksTurf]

I had very similar marks on my club and the problems that the OP describes. Longer and more upright made a big difference to me, but as has been said here, get it diagnosed by a pro before parting with any cash

 

[3565]

Check to see if your standing too far away or too close from the ball? Take your set up position then let go with your right hand and let your arm hang naturally, if your right arm and hand hangs inside of your original grip position, meaning if you have to move your hand forward and onto the grip, your standing too far away and conversely if the opposite happens hand outside original position and have to move it back to grip, your too close. You should stand at address and be able to let your right arm/hand swing naturally from right to left and be able to place hand on grip without moving hand forward or backward to grip. Just basics might be causing the wear near the toe end.

 

[harpo_72]

I have been looking at my stance and hand position, to get the ball out the middle though I am in a very unnatural position. When I set the club up in the correct position I get poor contact and the feeling my back is too arched. If I did not have to change I would not but I have spent so much time on it and gone back to my previous irons I just thought enough is enough. I don't miss greens that much and I am.

 

[duncan mackie]

I'm in the quick swing check camp.

You have 2 lie measurements - static and dynamic. There can be a significant difference; and it's existence isn't always bad.

Simply getting the lies of your clubs checked against the norm is only half the story, and the least relevant part. The dynamic lie is clearly too upright (from the top picture) which suggests either shorter shafts or a flatter lie adjustment would be the quick fix - certainly not more upright, or longer as you suggest.

also,the lines on the bottom of the club head suggest the clubhead is square to the swing plane at impact so there's an alignment issue for the symptoms you have highlighted, and your draw may well be from hitting the ball towards the toe. more reasons for a 'check-up!

 

[harpo_72]

Hang on a moment, are they not too flat?
I check my alignment regularly my hips and shoulders in particularly. I have alignment sticks and also use the rifle pose, and horizontal club drop. So I am aware that these can be issues, what is worrying me is I am deliberately shaping the ball off to counter an issue.

 

[Stuey01]

Looks like the toe striking the floor first, which would mean too flat would it not?

 

[harpo_72]

Looks like the toe striking the floor first, which would mean too flat would it not?

That was my thought, and if I catch it too fat it closes the face .... Which is nice.

 

[duncan mackie]

Hang on a moment, are they not too flat?

my interpretation of your first image is that you are hitting the ground with the heel -> middle of the sole which would be corrected by flattening the lie (or shortening the shaft)

however, I wouldn't start by doing anything to the clubs

 

[duncan mackie]

Looks like the toe striking the floor first, which would mean too flat would it not?

yes - but I'm struggling to interpret the first image as toe striking the ground at all

 

[Stuey01]

yes - but I'm struggling to interpret the first image as toe striking the ground at all

The way I have interpreted that image is that he is hitting off a range mat and due to the toe end of the club by the 3 dots under the number hitting the ground first it is picking up that green residue you get from some mats.

 

[duncan mackie]

The way I have interpreted that image is that he is hitting off a range mat and due to the toe end of the club by the 3 dots under the number hitting the ground first it is picking up that green residue you get from some mats.

an interesting take on perspectives; I saw green mat material and scuffing all the way from the hozel to the dots - and didn't see the dots as at the toe!


the important part is that for any given interpretation we all agree - the question of exactly where the actual impact is should be determined dynamically using a lie board and by an expert.

 

[MarkA]

get some of those lie stickers and use a lie board- they'll tell you much more than just the green residue

 

[3565]

I have been looking at my stance and hand position, to get the ball out the middle though I am in a very unnatural position. When I set the club up in the correct position I get poor contact and the feeling my back is too arched. If I did not have to change I would not but I have spent so much time on it and gone back to my previous irons I just thought enough is enough. I don't miss greens that much and I am.

My pro was teaching someone who was standing too close to the ball and his hands were too much near his thighs so when he swung on the way down he had to straighten his spine angle and his hand position then moved up and forward to try and hit the ball which in effect caused a toe down impact. Just food for thought before going and altering your clubs, make sure your basics are right. Good luck.

 

[Stuey01]

the important part is that for any given interpretation we all agree - the question of exactly where the actual impact is should be determined dynamically using a lie board and by an expert.

I can certainly agree with that, got to be more reliable than mat residue and certainly before forking out on new clubs to try and correct the problem!

 

[Foxholer]

I with Duncan on this (again). The vast majority of the marks are hozel side rather than toe side.

Lie Tape/board will tell for sure though.

Could be just a case of standing a bit far away from the ball and having to reach for it. Or a bit close and having the hands too low! That's where the Pro's eye/experience is an important tool!

 

[harpo_72]

Thanks for the replies, interesting to see other viewpoints.