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It's the minimum in my opinion and the comments regarding the police ring a little hollow given her previous. Tobias Ellwood was far more impressive.
Theresa May - Not up to the Job of PM?
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It's the minimum in my opinion and the comments regarding the police ring a little hollow given her previous. Tobias Ellwood was far more impressive.
larmen
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I am not sure if you can judge a leader by a given speech. Even Trump managed to do something fairly decent (in terms of delivery, no idea about content) when he addressed congress recently. An hour later he was just Trump again.
The next days, how she manages the crisis, and how she delivers article 50, will really show how she is.
The next days, how she manages the crisis, and how she delivers article 50, will really show how she is.
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Tough day for PM yesterday too but that's the job. She did ok with her speech, did have conviction but she needs to be able to speak without constant looks to what's written particularly for a very short speech of high emotion, as soon as you see her looking down and messing up a pronunciation of a couple of words suddently it doesn't seem as heartfelt as it's perceived as not her words or thoughts but those of another. This was a skill her predecessor Cameron had (and which won him the Tory leadership) and which Obama had too, watching public would prefer a leader to orate and perhaps have long pauses (think Obama) whilst carefully considering words without looking like its so rehearsed.....imo. Not knocking her but it's a leadership skill she needs to develop imo.
She's by far the best we've got, irrespective of which party. And she held the Home Office brief very well. I expect more from her but, equally, recognise she's taken on a job at a very difficult time.
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Well up to the job..... according to some folk I have been working with recently who spend quite a bit of time with her
SwingsitlikeHogan
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I thought her speech to the HoC was good enough. She said what she had to say but - IMO - just slightly overdid it, and her delivery tone was a little bit over emotive and could have maybe been a little bit unemotionally firmer - and as she was reading it it didn't seemed particularly authentic though she tried to sound authentic.
She's still got a bit to go to get to where I thought she was when she became PM - yesterday's speeches didn't change my view of her strengths and weaknesses.
6/10 for yesterday
She's still got a bit to go to get to where I thought she was when she became PM - yesterday's speeches didn't change my view of her strengths and weaknesses.
6/10 for yesterday
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Foxholer
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Sums up my opinion pretty well!
I actually think (but it's only an impression, so not 100% convinced) that she is handling the PM job better than she handled being Home Secretary post! Maybe it's because she can now dictate policy, instead of just proposing it then having to convince other sectors!
drdel
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I guess, no matter the circumstances, you and SILH were going to critise. Sad to take a 'standard' diplomatic speech as a cheapest means to side-swipe.
SocketRocket
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This ^^^^^^^^^
HomerJSimpson
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Thought she has handled the last two days well and there's no preparation you can get to deal with this type of incident until it happens. Think she's doing a good job.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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I'd suggest that it's not a cheap side swipe to make a comment about May's performance over the last couple of days on a thread that is specifically about how well she is doing. IMO she is not doing as well as I thought she would do. And because she has not had to make her across-the-board case to the 'British People' in a General Election as leader of the Tories I just don't get her at the moment.
I want TM to do better. Because I want her to be PM for ALL of the country, and not just the small majority who voted to leave the EU. Because at the moment that is all she is to me. And I think she is more and better than that.
Anyway I gave her 6/10 - which surely shows that I am more thumbs up to her over the last couple of days than thumbs down.
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SocketRocket
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She will never satisfy your blind prejudice for anything Tory or Brexit. I am not saying this just to take a swipe at you I am saying it because its sadly true. Unfortunately you have created a situation where many look at your posts and only see your bias rather than anything you try to articulate. Pity really.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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hmmmm - ah well. I want TM to do well because the future of the UK depends upon her doing well. If post-PM May she is deemed to have been a poor PM then you can be pretty sure Brexit will have been a mess. And I want Brexit to succeed as best May and her Merry Men can manage - though I think her Lancaster House speech was a mistake as it tied her hands in many respects of Brexit. But that was her choice.
Also please note that given my assumed leaning towards Scottish Independence, then following your logic of bias I would want TM and Brexit to fail spectacularly - and I don't.
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SwingsitlikeHogan
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Sorry Theresa May. You've blown it for me. Immoderate, ruthless and duplicitous. And I am afraid that I don't trust you an inch. You won't go on TV because you will be found out without a script - and you cannot look folks straight in the eyes because you know you are not telling the truth. Sleep well with your conscience.
Crazyface
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Dunno about that, but she has gone down in my estimation. She had a majority and a task to perform and has messed about for too long. I don't know why she's called this election, it will only delay everything and cause more unrest and more blooming debate about Brexit. We've had a damn vote that let the people speak and you're not following their instructions. That Tim Farron wants to shut the heck up as well. What a moron.
TM you are an idiot. Jezza? Good grief. Labour voters what the hell have you done??? You must be kicking yourselves now!
TM you are an idiot. Jezza? Good grief. Labour voters what the hell have you done??? You must be kicking yourselves now!
Tashyboy
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I think she has played an ace card.
Labour are are in turmoil.
Scotland, that's the big one. Trouble is read the previous sentance on Labour. Are or will the Labour Party be a credible opposition for SNP.
WEE Jimmy Krankie aka Nicola will never get a better chance for independence. Is that what the Scots want though.
The election will be about more than just Brexit, and I don't just mean policies. It means personalities or the lack of a personality in Corbyns case.
Brexit was won, but since that day a large amount of people have not been able to accept, agree, want, or whatever the outcome of that vote. This election should finally put to rest any doubt that we are leaving the EU and labour, lib dems and UKIP behind.
Looking forward to another dozen or so politics posts on here In the next month or so.
Labour are are in turmoil.
Scotland, that's the big one. Trouble is read the previous sentance on Labour. Are or will the Labour Party be a credible opposition for SNP.
WEE Jimmy Krankie aka Nicola will never get a better chance for independence. Is that what the Scots want though.
The election will be about more than just Brexit, and I don't just mean policies. It means personalities or the lack of a personality in Corbyns case.
Brexit was won, but since that day a large amount of people have not been able to accept, agree, want, or whatever the outcome of that vote. This election should finally put to rest any doubt that we are leaving the EU and labour, lib dems and UKIP behind.
Looking forward to another dozen or so politics posts on here In the next month or so.
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Bunkermagnet
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I can understand why she's has called this. Very soon there are the French and German elections, and no Brexit talks are going to happen until after the German elections. If we had left ours as they were planned, we would then be having a GE smack in the middle of the Brexit dealings and that would have been bloody stupid.
Lets forget the fact that Corbyn is unelectable and the Liberals lost in the wilderness, by resetting our parliament now we should have a constant set of heads going into the Brexit stuff.
The only good thing I can see for Labour in this is the hope that David Milliband returns to take the reigns of the party and provide the credible opposition the country is crying out for.
Lets forget the fact that Corbyn is unelectable and the Liberals lost in the wilderness, by resetting our parliament now we should have a constant set of heads going into the Brexit stuff.
The only good thing I can see for Labour in this is the hope that David Milliband returns to take the reigns of the party and provide the credible opposition the country is crying out for.
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User62651
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Like it or not Tim Farron is now potentially the political voice for a great many people across UK as pro UK and proEU and a centrist view. He's not a moron, he has conviction. Heard him a lot over the past couple of years and imo speaks a lot of sense. I hope they win plenty seats back at Conservative expense. A strong opposition is essential for democracy and Labour aren't providing it.
Foxholer
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While I'm inclined to think SILH has a point, that's pretty much 'par for the course' for all politicians! So no particular criticism - except for the even higher than normal level of hypocrisy - from me for her move! She is currently struggling to get her Brexit legislation through either/both houses! There are sufficient 'doubters' in her own party to spoil the simple progress in The Commons and The Lords has a considerable amount of opposition to it, from all areas! She is likely to continue to have these issues throughout this parliament! By calling the election and including the implementation of Brexit in the manifesto, if she achieves a majority, particularly if it's sizable, then she not only reduces/eliminates opposition within her own party and Parliament, but also likely to knobble, or at least severely curtail, opposition in The Lords - as manifesto commitments are (generally!) treated pretty mildly in that House!
So a canny tactic - if something of a risk.
And certainly a remarkably unsubtle 'about face'!
First step, of course, will be to get the necessary 2/3rds vote in The Commons! I'm not sure whether it was wise for Corbyn to commit to backing the election! Assuming the polls are even somewhere near correct, Labour likely to lose a significant number of seats and he is likely to have to resign, or at least fight (another) leadership battle!
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My issue though Tashyboy is I think you're right, but they selfish reasons for the Tories, she is not calling it for the good of the Country, there is nothing new yesterday that she didn't know a week or a month ago.
If she does a good job as PM and the tories as a government then why worry about the next GE in 3 yrs. She has a majority now so there are no need to scaremonger about doubts leaving the EU, if that was issue why not call the GE before triggering Article 50.
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