Theresa May - Not up to the Job of PM?

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Is she got what it takes to be PM? Or is she like Gordie Broon - competent and totally comfortable in a very senior government role - but basically just not up to the job of PM.

Two recent examples of where a PM needs a thick skin but where May shows that hers is not so thick: taking a very hard and public line on cabinet leaks when she knows that in politics leaking is part of the game. This just gives the impression that she feels vulnerable and not in control; and the Trousergate - where she has set her #1 'attack dog' on Nicky Morgan and banned her from No10 and from attending Brexit meetings - for suggesting nigh on £1000 on a pair of pants in a photo shoot is not quite the message the NAACs (Not At All Coping) and JAMs needed. That just seems petulant and counter productive.

Then there is her almost complete silence on approach to Brexit - except when she is slapping down miscreants making statements verging on Brexit policy feelers - sounds like micro-management borne of insecurity. And my wife commented that she seems to be walking with more of a stoop these days - is the weight on her shoulders getting too much?

I actually did have hopes for TM - but not sure she is up to it.

 

[ger147]

If the latest polls are any indication, with the Tories on 42% and Labour trailing on 25%, Mr J Public seems to think she's doing OK.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

She has always stooped but she is being pictured more now, especially walking on her own, so it stands out more. She is getting more Monty Burns like but I think her choice of short jackets exaggerates the stoop which does not help.

Early days. PM's like control. Alistair Cambell ruled behind the scenes with a rod of iron, others have tried to follow. Nicky Morgan was sacked from her role so I suspect she is not a fan anyway. I actually agree with her comments regarding Brexit and don't understand people who expect her to give constant updates on what she would like out of it. The only thing I have not liked is the occasional soundbite, red, white and blue Brexit for example. That is not what she is about and she needs to stop that. People like her being straightforward, we don't want soundbites from her.

 

[User62651]

You may be right but what are the alternatives? Looking at the current cabinet no-one is jumping out as a better candidate than TM, maybe just Michael Fallon or Philip Hammond.

She's in unchartered waters, unenviable position for her, wouldn't surprise me at all if she didn't last that long, tough job but she wanted it.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

You may be right but what are the alternatives? Looking at the current cabinet no-one is jumping out as a better candidate than TM, maybe just Michael Fallon or Philip Hammond.

She's in unchartered waters, unenviable position for her, wouldn't surprise me at all if she didn't last that long, tough job but she wanted it.

I agree she is in a very unenviable position and wonder who would take her place. After all we were very close to having Boris Johnson as PM and Andrea Leadsome as chancellor. I am 1000% happier with May and Hammond. And were Ken Clarke to be Foreign Secretary then they'd be a Tory Remain Top Gear (yes it's been said many many times before)

So no idea what might happen two years down the line from now if she does not, or is unable to, deliver a hard Brexit

 

[chrisd]

She's doing just fine

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I thought she would be OK but must admit to being slightly underwhelmed.
At the time I said it was a 6 month proxy job but her main right wing rivals have thankfully fallen by the wayside.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

I cant see any real problems

She doesnt have a magic wand to make it all better, she has to oversee a process which I think they are right not to rush into
The only decision I disagreed with was Boris as FS, but she is probably of the opinion that it is best to keep him under close control rather than let him off the leash and have a free voice from the back benches.

as to what she looks like or what she wears, ....It doesnt bother me either way

 

[Blue in Munich]

Is she got what it takes to be PM? Or is she like Gordie Broon - competent and totally comfortable in a very senior government role - but basically just not up to the job of PM.

Two recent examples of where a PM needs a thick skin but where May shows that hers is not so thick: taking a very hard and public line on cabinet leaks when she knows that in politics leaking is part of the game. This just gives the impression that she feels vulnerable and not in control; and the Trousergate - where she has set her #1 'attack dog' on Nicky Morgan and banned her from No10 and from attending Brexit meetings - for suggesting nigh on £1000 on a pair of pants in a photo shoot is not quite the message the NAACs (Not At All Coping) and JAMs needed. That just seems petulant and counter productive.

Then there is her almost complete silence on approach to Brexit - except when she is slapping down miscreants making statements verging on Brexit policy feelers - sounds like micro-management borne of insecurity. And my wife commented that she seems to be walking with more of a stoop these days - is the weight on her shoulders getting too much?

I actually did have hopes for TM - but not sure she is up to it.

What business is it of Nicky Morgan's, or anybody else's for that matter, what trousers Theresa May wears for an interview in The Times? How does Mrs. Morgan know that Mrs. May paid that much for the trousers; could they have been a gift? I would not have known, and frankly could not care less, what Mrs. May chooses to wear or what its supposed value is had Nicky Morgan not chosen to bring it into the open, and frankly if the best thing that Nicky Morgan has to currently discuss is the price & suitability of Theresa May's choice of clothing then I can't see she would bring much to a Brexit meeting and frankly she won't be missed.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

What business is it of Nicky Morgan's, or anybody else's for that matter, what trousers Theresa May wears for an interview in The Times? How does Mrs. Morgan know that Mrs. May paid that much for the trousers; could they have been a gift? I would not have known, and frankly could not care less, what Mrs. May chooses to wear or what its supposed value is had Nicky Morgan not chosen to bring it into the open, and frankly if the best thing that Nicky Morgan has to currently discuss is the price & suitability of Theresa May's choice of clothing then I can't see she would bring much to a Brexit meeting and frankly she won't be missed.

The point is that it got to TM - and she should have been able to completely ignore it - or if it did sting she should either have kept it to herself or not react in such a public and somewhat petulant manner,

On your 'does it matter' question? - Well to me no - except I thought they were pretty yeugh, However sartorial elegance (or apparent lack of it) did for Michael Foot. I can see NMs point. May did not need to be wearing a VERY expensive pair of fancy pants for a magazine photo shoot. She could have been a little bit more cognisant of public perception.

 

[USER1999]

Is she suuposed to dress from Primark then?

 

[User62651]

It's 'Cool Brittania' all over again.

Those breeks are more Chrissie Hynde or Suzi Quattro than PM though!

 

[arnieboy]

She and Philip Hammond are doing fine by me.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Not being a Tory, she is doing just fine and is the best of what there is. Dont see what TM wears has anything to do with N Morgan. I wonder if she is just as keen to voice dispair on the dishevelled donkey that is BJ, or however many pounds Cameron and Boy George spent on their suits.
This is just another non story and should be left in the bin where it deserves to be.

 

[Sweep]

Trousergate could only have happened between women.
Other than that she is doing well and really as much as the opponents of the Tories would like to see her fail, we had all better hope she succeeds. These are important times and let's face it, who is going to replace her, either from the Tories or any other party?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

In respect of Trousergate the point is that (I agree) that it is totally irrelevant - but what I (and others) are asking asking about is more TMs reaction - it has been rather petulant and childish (how today's Times described it). As has her rather heavy-handed reaction to 'leaks' - which of course has been 'leaked'.

 

[Hacker Khan]

If the latest polls are any indication, with the Tories on 42% and Labour trailing on 25%, Mr J Public seems to think she's doing OK.

I suspect a lot of that is down to the sheer unelectability of Corbyn than to do with the attraction of May. If Labour could get their act together and have a leader who resonated with the public then I'd guess that gap would be a lot closer.

 

[ger147]

I suspect a lot of that is down to the sheer unelectability of Corbyn than to do with the attraction of May. If Labour could get their act together and have a leader who resonated with the public then I'd guess that gap would be a lot closer.

Corbyn is untouchable until the next GE. The Labour hierarchy have already tried to ditch him and failed miserably.

May's future as PM depends on how much of the Tory party like the Brexit deal she manages to negotiate. If it turns out to be palatable to most of them then she could survive until the GE and if so will most likely romp it vs Labour under Corbyn, no matter what trousers she wears...

 

[SocketRocket]

Is she got what it takes to be PM? Or is she like Gordie Broon - competent and totally comfortable in a very senior government role - but basically just not up to the job of PM.

Two recent examples of where a PM needs a thick skin but where May shows that hers is not so thick: taking a very hard and public line on cabinet leaks when she knows that in politics leaking is part of the game. This just gives the impression that she feels vulnerable and not in control; and the Trousergate - where she has set her #1 'attack dog' on Nicky Morgan and banned her from No10 and from attending Brexit meetings - for suggesting nigh on £1000 on a pair of pants in a photo shoot is not quite the message the NAACs (Not At All Coping) and JAMs needed. That just seems petulant and counter productive.

Then there is her almost complete silence on approach to Brexit - except when she is slapping down miscreants making statements verging on Brexit policy feelers - sounds like micro-management borne of insecurity. And my wife commented that she seems to be walking with more of a stoop these days - is the weight on her shoulders getting too much?

I actually did have hopes for TM - but not sure she is up to it.

Yes she has got what it takes and is doing a good job. You seem to be struggling with the fact that she is not sending you an hourly update on Brexit plans but all will be revealed in the fullness of time.

 

[Deleted member 15717]

More it all goes on, the more I see Brexit not happening. TM delivers the 'Brexit means Brexit' line...but she was very much a remainer.

I have a funny feeling this Supreme Court judge case will see that the decision falls to MPs, and MPs will vote to remain. Completely out of TM's hands at that point, and the country I believe will fall happy. However, how this leaves us with the EU is a different matter.

It's not an enviable position she has found herself in, however, given the time...I think she'll prove to be a very effective leader.