the warm welcome of a golf club?

[patricks148]

I will repeat again for those who can't read, the point was not about having rules, it was about the manner in which they were displayed and communicated to visitors and members. A lot of it is PR and image, which I quite understand is a bit of an alien concept to a lot of golf clubs and members, but there you go.

Ok then clever clogs, how should they word a sign that simply says " no chipping or pitching onto practice putting green please" ????

My place dosen't have much in the way of signs but the ones we do have, i lot of visitors to the club take not a blind bit of notice.

Last weekend two visitors both chipping onto the practice putting green either side of the sign saying not to!!!

 

[patricks148]

Partric, you should read the thread before posting your comment. Its not what we're discussing

nice one hacker khan

well it is, if a club has rules they are ent to enforce them however they see fit.i would imagine there have been instance in the past when people have flushed towl down the toilet walked in the bar with metal spikes on etc, as such the club has prob had to put the signs up, Ive no issue with signs.

there's not call for Name calling either.

 

[Fish]

The toilets at Brocton are all tiled and finished off to a very high standard, spikes would not only damaged that flooring but you could slip causing injury, a sign is required as is not flushing paper towels down a toilet if they have had instances of it causing costs to repair.

The bar and clubhouse is also a very old, listed stately home so again, spikes just shouldn't be worn on the beautiful wooden flooring. Common sense I hear you say, well lets be honest, how many at yuour club display common sense at times? and, with so many various rules that clubs have allowing golf shoes in the clubhouse, toilets etc, there have to be signs to warm visitors that its not allowed their.

I see no issues with them.

 

[Birchy]

Typical of modern day attitudes, People dont like rules. You shouldnt have to beg people to follow the rules at somebody elses golf club. The amount of people who either cant read or most probably just ignore signs is staggering.

Please, please, please, please dont get changed in the car park

 

[6inchcup]

My club has just spent over £2000 on new Sign posts,these are not for the members but for the visitors,we have parking for the pro,capt,lady capt,sec and chairman can't see nothing wrong with that,we have a separate car park for vans or other commercial type vehicles at the side of the main carpark,members know this but we have a sign for visitors that some could find snobbish,as for stripping off in the car park,this is a private club with superb changing facilities and why would anyone wish to strip off down to their underpants (as witnessed at another club in rainford last week !!!) in full view of lady members and some juniors having a putting lesson,don't forget your a visitor at the club so abide by the rules that members adhere to,or play at another course.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Perhaps all the clubs who have too many rules should stop visitors playing and increase the members subscriptions by say £200 a year.
They would then be able to get rid of all of the signs and enjoy a round where nothing offends them.

We are joking aren't we, I think you will find that at most clubs the members offend more than the visitors.
I once saw a county playing member standing on the wooden dance floor with metal spikes on.......not a visitor but a + handicap member.

 

[Paul_Stewart]

I remember a few years back playing at Arbroath and the pro coming out to the 1st tee when I started play. I made a friendly comment about my first trip here and looking forward to the course and got told, "I just came out to make sure you played off the f***ing yellow tees".

So I did. For that hole. And then went back to the whites for the other 17 out of principle with the full support of the head greenkeeper who was really apologetic about the pro's attitude.

And then I went back in the shop to ask if I could play the 1st again off the whites to get a full set. The only course in Scotland where I have seen any kind of a negative attitude from anyone.

 

[DAVEYBOY]

And people think the Belfry is going to be like this mate, one of the most relaxed clubs I've ever been too.

 

[6inchcup]

Perhaps all the clubs who have too many rules should stop visitors playing and increase the members subscriptions by say £200 a year.
They would then be able to get rid of all of the signs and enjoy a round where nothing offends them.

We are joking aren't we, I think you will find that at most clubs the members offend more than the visitors.
I once saw a county playing member standing on the wooden dance floor with metal spikes on.......not a visitor but a + handicap member.

so you would welcome turning up at your club for a drink with your good lady wife to be greeted by a society all in the carpark in their underpants in full view of lady members and children,shouting obsenities to one another,or half a dozen builders vans taking up 12 parking spaces,as I said the rules are for the members and therefore the visitors must abide by them.

 

[bluewolf]

The clubs in question shouldn't need signs telling people not to change in the carpark (I've no issue with shoes, but if you're changing clothes then basic manners say that you should use the changing rooms provided.), nor signs telling you not to chip onto the putting green when a short game area is usually provided. Metal spikes indoors should also not need to be warned against. BUT, the problem lies with the people, members and guests, who have no basic manners and who find no problem with the above. Why blame the clubs, when the real fault lies with a minority of golfers. I don't see a thread criticising them. It's too easy to blame the club rather than the people who cause the issue in the first place.....

 

[upsidedown]

The clubs in question shouldn't need signs telling people not to change in the carpark (I've no issue with shoes, but if you're changing clothes then basic manners say that you should use the changing rooms provided.), nor signs telling you not to chip onto the putting green when a short game area is usually provided. Metal spikes indoors should also not need to be warned against. BUT, the problem lies with the people, members and guests, who have no basic manners and who find no problem with the above. Why blame the clubs, when the real fault lies with a minority of golfers. I don't see a thread criticising them. It's too easy to blame the club rather than the people who cause the issue in the first place.....

+ 1

 

[6inchcup]

The clubs in question shouldn't need signs telling people not to change in the carpark (I've no issue with shoes, but if you're changing clothes then basic manners say that you should use the changing rooms provided.), nor signs telling you not to chip onto the putting green when a short game area is usually provided. Metal spikes indoors should also not need to be warned against. BUT, the problem lies with the people, members and guests, who have no basic manners and who find no problem with the above. Why blame the clubs, when the real fault lies with a minority of golfers. I don't see a thread criticising them. It's too easy to blame the club rather than the people who cause the issue in the first place.....

the problem is not all visitors have good manners some don't belong to clubs and have no comprehension of how to conduct themselves,the attitude with a lot of visitors is they have paid x amount to play at the club and are doing us members a favour,last year we banned 3groups from returning due to the mess and trouble they caused on and off the course,what they found acceptable bore no resemblance to what any golfer would have condoned at their club so why think it ok at another,a lot of visitors come from non members clubs or munis and more than once when I have pulled people up on the course for bad etiquette have been greeted with abuse and comments about being snobs,but to me walking across a green with an electric trolley or walking down the 7th par 3with your pants and underpants round your ankles because you landed in the bunker short of the green is just wrong visitor or member.

 

[hovis]

Ok then clever clogs, how should they word a sign that simply says " no chipping or pitching onto practice putting green please" ????

thats just it. it doesnt say please. simply ''no chipping'' how about ''putting only'' '' please use the chipping area provided'' and the eg you give is not a big deal but when you see 10 signs in eye shot with don't and MUST writen it kind of ruins the vibe. its funny how they only have these signs at private clubs. the way i see it is, your a member of the club so they have your money and probably a waiting list so why be polite? on the other hand at the belfry i am a 'customer' and they want my return business. no stupid signs waiting for you when you pull up to a complex that has hosted many top comps. think there is a putting only sign though

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Closest I got to the cold shoulder was the day I walked up the drive to Cypress Point Clubhouse and into the little pro shop (more of a cabin). Obviously a 'tourist' the shop assistant/pro and member who were having a chat stopped and looked at me - I hesitated as a cold wind whistled around my knees - despite it being mid summer on the Monteray peninsula. Plucking up courage I blurted out 'I don't suppose I could have a card of the course...please' At which point big smiles spead across their faces 'ah - you're Scaattish'. And so a very pleasant 10minutes was spent chatting about Scottish courses and links golf. And when I mentioned that I had been a member of a James Braid designed course - oh boy

I never got a game - but I did get a card, a ball marker and a pitch mark repairer. And nice memories of Cypress Point.

 

[upsidedown]

Understand where you're coming from Hovis but just trying to think in general day to day living how many signs are polite requests as opposed to directions or commands. For one, will be looking out for them next time I'm out and about .

 

[Doon frae Troon]

so you would welcome turning up at your club for a drink with your good lady wife to be greeted by the members all in the carpark in their underpants in full view of lady members and children,shouting obsenities to one another,or half a dozen builders vans taking up 12 parking spaces,as I said the rules are for the visitors and therefore the members must abide by them.

Fixed that.
[more in keeping with my post I think!

 

[hovis]

Understand where you're coming from Hovis but just trying to think in general day to day living how many signs are polite requests as opposed to directions or commands. For one, will be looking out for them next time I'm out and about .

you make a good point and your right. the only thing i can say is i expect a little bit of a welcome if i'm handing over my money especialy in the case of beau destert charging about £50. even a hello would have been nice

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I view notices as being there for guidance and not for getting upset about - whatever I might actually think.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I can't think of too many places I've visited that has been anything other than friendly. My experience is that these "Don't" signs are just as applicable to the membership as visitors and it those paying their subs that actually tend to be more lax about the little things (chipping when not permitted). Most visitors go to these places and know what is and isn't acceptable and even those that don't play regularly and rock up in a society usually get taken in hand by more seasoned golfers if they step too far out of line and anything to OTT reflects on all of them

 

[stevie_r]

so you would welcome turning up at your club for a drink with your good lady wife to be greeted by a society all in the carpark in their underpants in full view of lady members and children,shouting obsenities to one another,or half a dozen builders vans taking up 12 parking spaces,as I said the rules are for the members and therefore the visitors must abide by them.

I'm failing to see a logical connection between people changing in a car park/ builders vans and the shouting of obscenities