Crawfy
Tour Rookie
Did he then hole the putt and claim it as a sand save? 
Can't believe how blatant he was....unbelievable!
Can't believe how blatant he was....unbelievable!
The stigma of being caught cheating
- Thread starter Ian_Bristol
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Tiger man
Challenge Tour Pro
Death penalty
paddyc
Challenge Tour Pro
Cheating is cheating and although I may turn a blind eye if someone I was playing a friendly game against was not aware of the rules, to actually have the balls to throw your ball out a bunker in a COMPETITION is unbelievable.Send him to the gallows.
Ian_Bristol
Head Pro
No it was (mod edit, removed at request of club & op) I don't know what hole it was on as I wasn't playing (hc to high) but will let you know the outcome, what I do know is he was a long time member.
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Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
I played with a guy once and as we got to the green I could see his ball was a good 40 feet from the hole.
He walked across the green towards it, and as he was halfway there took his ball marker out of his pocket and casually dropped it.
He then carried on walking towards his ball, picked it up and put it in his pocket.
When the other guy we were playing with had chipped on, this guy then placed his ball down where his marker had landed and carried on as if nothing had happened.
His 40 foot putt had suddenly become a 20 foot one.
That is the most blatant cheat I have ever witnessed.
The guy was considered a good friend and came away on loads of trips with us, but I haven't played with him since then.
He walked across the green towards it, and as he was halfway there took his ball marker out of his pocket and casually dropped it.
He then carried on walking towards his ball, picked it up and put it in his pocket.
When the other guy we were playing with had chipped on, this guy then placed his ball down where his marker had landed and carried on as if nothing had happened.
His 40 foot putt had suddenly become a 20 foot one.
That is the most blatant cheat I have ever witnessed.
The guy was considered a good friend and came away on loads of trips with us, but I haven't played with him since then.
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As has been asked, did it only come about due to the other group watching and then him him being challenged once back in after his round/s with his PP's still unaware because he putted out, if so, what was marked down on his card for that hole? If this is the case then its more than just cheating, its extremely deceitful and dishonest, he's finished!
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A member at my former club was seen by two committee members in another playing group kicking his ball into a better lie in the rough, during a medal competition. He was banned from all competitions for 6 months.
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shortstuff
Assistant Pro
It simply isn't worth it because you could never show your face again in the clubhouse.
GreiginFife
Money List Winner
I reported someone last night. Drove his ball into a greenside bunker on a par 3. Proceeded to lift the ball out of the bunker, toss it to the side if the green and proceed to chip and putt. There is no need for it.
My club had a well documented cheating indecent, and the guy was thrown out the club, he then took the club to court, but they found in our favor.
gone straight into 2 other clubs, who knew full well of his reputation.
was off a low handicap as well
gone straight into 2 other clubs, who knew full well of his reputation.
was off a low handicap as well
rksquire
Head Pro
Okay... but like the OP, context is everything - was the guy playing a comp or out on his own and having a practice? During practice rounds I've adjusted lies, moved my ball into bunkers etc. - I'm now worried I'm going to be reported! If the guy was in competition that's different... but we don't know that.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
But it's just a game...
Also I do wish people would get their political insults right and be able to distinguish between labour, liberals and the greens. We are different you know
Indeed - I'd hope that forgiveness and offering the hand of redemption were apolitical rather than leftie or rightie principles held, I'd hope, as facets of a caring secular society
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
That is utterly barmy behaviour. My acceptance of human frailty and forgiveness has it's limits.
So here's a challenging thought. Has there always been such blatant cheating? - or is this sort of thing on a widespread basis (if it is so) a relatively new thing - with those completely new to the game and so less aware of the basic ethics and principles by which we adhere to and play the game likely to be the miscreants. I do not know if there is any correlation whatsoever. But I've never myself come across such blatant and sigificant cheating such as has described here in this thread.
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GreiginFife
Money List Winner
I wouldnt report someone unless it was a comp.
and I woukdnt expect any right minded golfer to do so either.
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
The particular bloke I am talking about has always cheated. He's the sort of guy that claims a 5 when he had a 6, that sort of thing. I remember the first time Leftie ever played with him, I tipped him the wink and advised him to keep an eye on the other blokes scoring...sure enough, Roger reported that yes, the guy did mess up a couple of times.
Many's the time he has hit his ball into the woods, raced off ahead of the others and miraculously had a perfect lie and hit a fantastic recovery shot.
We went to Forest Pines once, and drew names out of the hat for playing partners. This guy got drawn with two other guys who had only just started playing the game, both had 28 handicaps and didn't really know the rules etc.
He came in with 37 points that day when everybody else had high 20's. God knows how many strokes he got away with, but we know he cheated.
I was advised not to say anything when I saw him drop his ball on the green at Lanhydrock in Cornwall for fear of starting a row and ruining the week-end, so I bit my lip.
But I really do get annoyed now when I think I didn't say anything at the time.
ColchesterFC
Journeyman Pro
Surely there's nothing in the rules to prevent me from throwing my ball out of a bunker onto the green or kicking it sideways in the rough to give myself a better line to the green round a tree. The breach/cheating would only occur if I then tried to put a score down for that hole. If I did pick the ball up and throw it out of a bunker onto the green is there anything that says that I can't then have a practise putt? As long as I tell the guy marking the card that I'm out of the hole or have NR'd then I haven't cheated. Or am I missing something?
trevor
Head Pro
Sounds just like someone I used to play with. He did things like that all the time but as we were all relatively new to the game wern't totally sure what he was doing and what to do about it without causing a row. Saw him once hit a shot into a bunker, look round to see if we had seen him and when he thought We hadn't, dropped another and hit that onto the green. He continued with the ball on the green and left the one in the bunker. I walked over to the bunker to see if his ball was there or if I had just dreamt it but by then he had walked off to the next tee. I know everyone will say we should have confronted him then but the sort of person he was would have ruined the rest of the game and it simply wasn't worth it.
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I would be happy to be questioned(in the right tone) about my actions or score on the Golf Course by a PP, the thought of being accused of deliberatly cheating or not, would horrify me, I won't even give myself a break when playing on my own!
GreiginFife
Money List Winner
Absolutely, as long as you dont submit a score...
But if you didnt submit a score I doubt anyone would report you...
drdel
Tour Rookie
It was a daft thing to do - but some of you need to be careful not to fall off your high horse - methinks some doth protest too much !
Good grief what a pious lot, I have a strong suspicion that many of you Saints drive on your own and yet while driving break the Laws of the Road without any thought.
Of course anyone entering a competition , whether official or casual, is duty bound to play honourably and if a rule infringement occurs a punishment fitting the crime should be metered out.
Banning for life from the game or Club strikes me as disproportionate
I really couldn't give a toss if some one cheats; I'll know I didn't and I'll make sure the cheater knows he/she and we will all move on and play again because life's just too short to start trying to manage the moral fibre of everyone other than yourself - Its a bloody sport !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anything more than a DQ
