Canary_Yellow
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Although fewer people have sky than have access to the BBC, I think the buzz that Sky create around events does more to promote the game than the BBC's old fashioned approach to covering the competition.
The Open 2016 - TV Coverage
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Although fewer people have sky than have access to the BBC, I think the buzz that Sky create around events does more to promote the game than the BBC's old fashioned approach to covering the competition.
Pin-seeker
Well-known member
Not really Phil,most kids these days are pretty handy on computers & this may shock you but they'll think nothing of streaming 😱
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But again that buzz is created where ? On Sky again - so unless you are a subscriber and the majority aren't you don't see or feel that "buzz"
Let's be honest - Sky want the monopoly on sports - that monopoly enables them to gain more subscriptions which gives them more profit - they are a profit making orginisation and that will be their main goal. Even when it's "free for a day" it's still just to people with a paid subscription who can see it.
I have sky because I want to watch the sports and sports fans have to get Sky - they have done great things by bringing more sport into people's houses but I would be very dubious on if they have actual helped grow sport as a whole - sports participation on the whole I understand has been steadily declining over the last two decades - sport on terrestrial telly is a rare occasion now and it's a shame to see.
thesheriff
Head Pro
Darn, Sky coverage looks amazing, but I don't have HD which is the only negative compared to BBC.
Canary_Yellow
Journeyman Pro
The buzz isn't just on Sky. If Sky promoting the open gets people talking about it in everyday life, i.e. in the office, at school then it has worked as the colleagues / school mates etc are more likely to to be interested when they get home. Sky aren't relying necessarily on people directly watching their promotion to generate interest and excitement around the event.
Also, it's ridiculous to suggest (and I'm not sure that you are) that the reduction in the number of playing sport is down to sport not being on terrestrial television without a detailed study to back that up. Take a look at modern society and the role that technology plays and it's clear that there are a lot of factors far more significant than terrestrial v subscription TV! How does anyone know (without studying it) whether Sky's coverage has resulted in numbers falling by less than they otherwise would have done?
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I haven't heard one single person talk about The Open in the office - normally do a sweepstake but nothing this year - all the talk has been about Wimbledon and the Euro's - where is all the promotion ? It's on Sky itself. How exactly are Sky creating a buzz and promoting the Open beyond adverts on Sky ? Haven't seen anything in the club , no posters , nothing on billboards , nothing on radio - just had the sports update on Heart and they didn't even mention the Golf - how has interest been generated by Sky ?
I know that reduction in sports participation is based on a number of things but IMO it would include the lack of broadcasting of sport on terrestrial television
Canary_Yellow
Journeyman Pro
I agree that any study on the topic of participation would have to include this subject, but I have no information to suggest whether the impact is positive, negative or irrelevant and it doesn't sound like you do either.
I don't really disagree with your comments at the top of your post, I haven't noticed any additional discussion of the Open either, but I don't think we're in the impressionable categories that are being targeted by Sky and our experiences only amount to a miniscule sample which is far too small to draw any meaningful conclusion from.
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I agreed with Phil, less people aware of it and watching it.
My auntie has never played the sport, does not have sky but always watched golf on telly and used to mention it to me.My mum/dad the same, and we get them spending some of their money on pitch/putt courses or par 3 course around this time. So this normally brings income to Golf.
I would never even taken up golf, without it being on telly (I started late 20s), I don't have sky and asked a couple of clients to take me to the driving range, as golf was on telly. I don't have sky either. If it was not on telly I wouldn't be looking it up on the internet as I wouldn't have really been aware of it and therefore would never have been playing it.
Also when you think about it, without telly coverage, my son and my wife would not have been 'forced' to play golf. That's brought a lot of money to golf.
I organise two golf days a year for clients, without telly introducing me to it, then that money would not be spent in golf. Probably at least 50% of people who come of my days only play on those days.
Normally clients mention the open to me as some know I play, but I cant remember one person mentioning it to me, not even mum/dad or clients who are friends. I haven't seen any adverts for it and actually had to think if it was this week or next week and just find a link to skysports following one group :- http://www.skysports.com/golf/the-open/news/14866/10500790/the-open-live-streams-from-royal-troon
I actually think its silly to suggest the more telly coverage does not help to bring more people into golf, whether talking about it or playing it.
My auntie has never played the sport, does not have sky but always watched golf on telly and used to mention it to me.My mum/dad the same, and we get them spending some of their money on pitch/putt courses or par 3 course around this time. So this normally brings income to Golf.
I would never even taken up golf, without it being on telly (I started late 20s), I don't have sky and asked a couple of clients to take me to the driving range, as golf was on telly. I don't have sky either. If it was not on telly I wouldn't be looking it up on the internet as I wouldn't have really been aware of it and therefore would never have been playing it.
Also when you think about it, without telly coverage, my son and my wife would not have been 'forced' to play golf. That's brought a lot of money to golf.
I organise two golf days a year for clients, without telly introducing me to it, then that money would not be spent in golf. Probably at least 50% of people who come of my days only play on those days.
Normally clients mention the open to me as some know I play, but I cant remember one person mentioning it to me, not even mum/dad or clients who are friends.
I haven't seen any adverts for it and actually had to think if it was this week or next week and just find a link to skysports following one group :- http://www.skysports.com/golf/the-open/news/14866/10500790/the-open-live-streams-from-royal-troonI actually think its silly to suggest the more telly coverage does not help to bring more people into golf, whether talking about it or playing it.
Whilst I think it's a shame that the bbc gave up, if golf as a whole or even sport for that matter. Relies on people seeing it on to to participate then what got people playing it before tv?
Lets be honest, most families with a family member interested in sky have it. If they don't, I'd argue it's more because they can't afford it than in protest. It that's the case, then with the greatest respect I'm not sure golf is the sport that is going to be most welcoming.
Hiw is many sorts can be played for considerable less outlay?
Lets be honest, most families with a family member interested in sky have it. If they don't, I'd argue it's more because they can't afford it than in protest. It that's the case, then with the greatest respect I'm not sure golf is the sport that is going to be most welcoming.
Hiw is many sorts can be played for considerable less outlay?
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Before telly, sports were played at school(a lot being team games) or as part of the local custom. Upto this era Golf was very limited and a elitist sport for the very well off mainly...
Telly has been around for decades now and help certain sports grow a lot, especially ones that aren't played at school. Think of what Palmer and Woods done for the sport with the aid of telly, without telly they would have be just another person playing golf that no one would have known about and I would be bold and say Woods probably would not have been playing it if he had been born 50 years prior. But thankfully life has moved on and telly is around and so is the internet.
I do not have Sky, I can afford it. Its not out of protest or cant afford it but because it kind of really just a waste of money. There are many reasons why someone may not have Sky, not just those.
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
When it was on the BBC, they showed some golf while I was at work. When I got home, there was no golf, as it was then prime time for homes under the hammer. Later, after bed time, or midnight as it's known, they would put on a highlights programme. Wow, thanks.
Now, live coverage is on Sky. It's still on while I'm at work. Coverage will run to the end of play today, and I will get the option of watching the highlights on the BBC, at a sensible viewing time.
I see this as an improvement.
Now, live coverage is on Sky. It's still on while I'm at work. Coverage will run to the end of play today, and I will get the option of watching the highlights on the BBC, at a sensible viewing time.
I see this as an improvement.
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BBC showed the live coverage until the end of play on all four days - it was still on when I get in from work at 6ish on BBC2 until around 8:30 ish and then it watched highlights on the red button or the website of what I missed during the day
You will actually see more during the BBC highlights I reckon - the Sky coverage is full of adverts , skycart and even just had Gary Player in the shot zone thing al whilst live golf is going on - it all seems more about them showing off as opposed to showing the actual golf !!
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USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
Highlights on the red button are useless to me. It's always in fuzzy vision, not HD. On a 50 inch telly, fuzzy is rubbish, and not worth watching.
I didn't have sky or videotron as a kid either. In fact I think one of my circles of friends did. Yet we all still played sports. I think the lack of participation is more down to kids having interests.
I was behind a bus the other day that advertises is has wifi and usb charging points. Games have taken a mass step forward. 20 years ago I loved my megadrive but would still prefer sports. Today I fear more would rather the games console.
I I think it's generation thing. And something that I think would have occurred without sky.
I have always played tennis all year round and yet it always gets noticeably busy during Wimbledon and then settles again. Having one golf event on tv a year doesn't imo mean any more kids will or won't play golf. Talk about it and watch it, maybe. But play it. Not so much.
Captainron
Big Hitting, South African Sweary Person
I am a massive fan of sky sports. I don't mind paying to enjoy the wide variety of decent coverage.
People are moaning about the cost per month. Compare this with a day ticket to the Open and you'll get 2 months Sky sports for 1 day of being there on the championship days! Plus you don't have to pay £6 for a pint and £8 for fish and chips.
Suck it up and get your wallets out
People are moaning about the cost per month. Compare this with a day ticket to the Open and you'll get 2 months Sky sports for 1 day of being there on the championship days! Plus you don't have to pay £6 for a pint and £8 for fish and chips.
Suck it up and get your wallets out
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
I'm watching the golf - but I'm not seeing very much live golf. Too much analysis, 'Open Zone' and 'studio' discussion, and Sarah Stirk talking about 'marquee' groups. Come on Sky. Show us the golf.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
And if we want to get 20-40yr olds (and then their kids) into golf then IMO the R&A need to fund or subsidise the ladies and gents academies than many clubs run - not just focus on junior golf.
Raesy92
Assistant Pro
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Yes hardly seen any golf shots at all ... You seem to be moaning for the sake of moaning. Just throwing in some lies to try and make your argument stronger.
Berger
Assistant Pro
Its hardly full of adverts, they're limited to four 60 second ad breaks per hour. That's less than one hour of ads for the 13.5 hours of coverage they'll show today.
A lot of the sky cart stuff is interviews with players who have just come off the course. I, and I'm sure many others find it interesting to hear how they talk about their round, how the course is playing etc. If anything exciting on the course happens its usually recorded anyway and shown a few minutes later.
Dan2501
Tour Winner
BBC hardly would have been better. In place of adverts we'd have had Ken wandering about the course showing how a balloon is effected by the wind, or how deep the bunkers are by dropping a small child in and watching them struggle to get out. Coverage today has been great. Sky's golf coverage is always good. I streamed a bit of the Golf Channel the other week to compare and it was awful, literally adverts every 5 minutes, barely saw any golf; that's what awful coverage looks like.
