The next PM.

Hobbit said:
Cameron, Clegg and Osbourne said no customs union and no single market numerous times BEFORE the referendum. Boris, Gove and Farage also spoke of of Leave meaning no CU and no SM. They spoke of negotiating a good deal with the EU. And what deal did May come back with?

I don't see why No Deal shouldn't be spoken about, and I think thats a good thing. If the EU think the UK won't leave without a deal they know that they can put a poor deal on the table and the UK will either accept or not leave.

What can the UK offer the EU for a decent deal. Money, access to the fishing grounds, equitable tariffs/no tariffs/equitable pricing on agri goods. And what did May agree to? You can have £39bn, you can have continued access to the fishing grounds, you can have everything you've asked for with regards to agri goods(inc. a monitoring organisation set up by the UK that reports to the EU on pricing and standards, and any deviation will see the UK in the European courts). And the UK got what? Sweet FA apart from a letter to talk about the future relationship - wow!

Just for a second, irrespective of the impact on trade either way, what will the EU most desperately need if the UK leaves the EU? It will need to fill a 14% drop in its income. It will need to find a minimum of £10bn a year. What is the UK's main bargaining chip? We could say its access for businesses but the EU doesn't seem to have a problem cutting them adrift. Its money!

Here's an idea; lets give the EU £39bn, for nothing in return. Lets give them access to the fishing grounds for nothing in return. Lets set up the UK's agriculture totally aligned to the EU, including pricing set by the EU, for nothing in return. OR the UK could say we will buy access to your trade markets at favourable rates, and we will sell you access to our fishing grounds and we will give you a favourable deal that gets pretty close to your CAP. You want money, we want a favourable deal............. and then there's May's BRINO that is not even good enough to call a disgrace.

The EU bluffed the UK with a pair of 2's, and the UK folded on their pair of 2's, giving the pot of gold to the EU.
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This is all good and all very well - but we will leave with No Deal because I hear that that is what 17.4m Leave voters asked for when voting Leave. Yes really. They say that what was said before the actual vote was just political posturing. The vote was to Leave or Remain. Nothing else. Indeed I think I saw on Ch4 News this evening that a new poll indicates that 83% of Tory Party Members would have us leave now with no further negotiation whatsoever.

Jolly good. BJ and No Deal 31/10 - bring it on. It's the Will of the People.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
This is all good and all very well - but we will leave with No Deal because I hear that that is what 17.4m Leave voters asked for when voting Leave. Yes really. They say that what was said before the actual vote was just political posturing. The vote was to Leave or Remain. Nothing else. Indeed I think I saw on Ch4 News this evening that a new poll indicates that 83% of Tory Party Members would have us leave now with no further negotiation whatsoever.

Jolly good. BJ and No Deal 31/10 - bring it on. It's the Will of the People.
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You're confusing me - not hard I know.

You've said on numerous occasions recently that you accept that the UK will leave without a deal. And you've said you hope its Boris leading the charge - bring it on you say. So whats your problem? Why do you keep repeating it when you've accepted it?

Maybe its the thinly veiled irony which (doesn't) hides the fact you are vehemently opposed to it BUT you think this is the best way to continue your whining about it without the need to argue your case. If I've misinterpreted you I apologise but if I haven't, this version of whining is just as bad as the previous 3 years.
 
Hobbit said:
You're confusing me - not hard I know.

You've said on numerous occasions recently that you accept that the UK will leave without a deal. And you've said you hope its Boris leading the charge - bring it on you say. So whats your problem? Why do you keep repeating it when you've accepted it?

Maybe its the thinly veiled irony which (doesn't) hides the fact you are vehemently opposed to it BUT you think this is the best way to continue your whining about it without the need to argue your case. If I've misinterpreted you I apologise but if I haven't, this version of whining is just as bad as the previous 3 years.
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He's just being sarcastic and petty. Nothing anyone says to him will stop him droning on and on, its just white noise.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
This is all good and all very well - but we will leave with No Deal because I hear that that is what 17.4m Leave voters asked for when voting Leave. Yes really. They say that what was said before the actual vote was just political posturing. The vote was to Leave or Remain. Nothing else. Indeed I think I saw on Ch4 News this evening that a new poll indicates that 83% of Tory Party Members would have us leave now with no further negotiation whatsoever.

Jolly good. BJ and No Deal 31/10 - bring it on. It's the Will of the People.
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Have you taken a recent look at the debacle going on in Brussels?

If you wanted evidence of a more undemocratic process its all there. Oh and if you want a further reason why the UK should get out just look at the rapidly failing economic position that, were we to Remain,would suck cash from the UK even faster than Corbyn and McDonnell could manage.
 
BJ Alert - 'Our Hero' is on LBC's Nick Ferrari programme at 9:30am this morning taking listeners questions for half an hour (after which you can be sure leftie Remoaner James O'Brien will have some thoughts)

Note that normally listeners of Ferrari's are largely of a strong Leave bent, and will go on a rant about anything vaguely leftish or to do with such as climate change - but I don't think Ferrari will give BJ an easy ride this morning. The questions I have heard that will be asked are the ones that BJ needs to answer - which of course and I have no doubt that as our future PM he will to the fullness fullest.
 
drdel said:
Have you taken a recent look at the debacle going on in Brussels?

If you wanted evidence of a more undemocratic process its all there. Oh and if you want a further reason why the UK should get out just look at the rapidly failing economic position that, were we to Remain,would suck cash from the UK even faster than Corbyn and McDonnell could manage.
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Of course - which is why I now would prefer UK to leave with no withdrawal agreement in place and under the leadership of BJ. We cannot be tied in with the failing 'Brussels Bunch' in any way shape or form and I want BJ to lead us on this journey. I do hope the will of the people is reflected by the selectorate comprising the Tory Party membership as they choose our next PM.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
BJ Alert - 'Our Hero' is on LBC's Nick Ferrari programme at 9:30am this morning taking listeners questions for half an hour (after which you can be sure leftie Remoaner James O'Brien will have some thoughts)

Note that normally listeners of Ferrari's are largely of a strong Leave bent, and will go on a rant about anything vaguely leftish or to do with such as climate change - but I don't think Ferrari will give BJ an easy ride this morning. The questions I have heard that will be asked are the ones that BJ needs to answer - which of course and I have no doubt that as our future PM he will to the fullness fullest.
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How did he get on? I'm in Denmark so haven't heard the interview and nothing on BBC news as far as I can see.
 
ColchesterFC said:
How did he get on? I'm in Denmark so haven't heard the interview and nothing on BBC news as far as I can see.
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Well it depends upon whether you are on his side or the other side (though isome Leave voters are calling into JO'B expressing despair and horror at what they heard)

Not at all great on the 'all smelling of roses' garden photos. In fact it seems the photos in today's papers may be old and so he and hos team are guilty of deliberately misleading the electorate and Tory Party Members. BJ refused to answer questions posed about the photos "when were the photos taken?" 26 times. - but said he knew they were 'out there'

He disagrees vehemently with what Steve Bannon and Farage say on the amount of contact BJ has had with Bannon during this process.

His plan for Brexit? Others on his side will explain how it will work - I was not 100% convinced as it relies upon the EU to relent and play ball with the UK all over the place. But at least we now have a 'man with a plan' - so we have something to measure BeeJay the PeeEm against.

And stuff about London - about which seems very loud and proud.
 
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ColchesterFC said:
How did he get on? I'm in Denmark so haven't heard the interview and nothing on BBC news as far as I can see.
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A bland interview with no disasters. If he continues in the same vein he will win. He needs to be tripped up, to make gaffes to lose but yesterdays interview did not do either. You can pick up on details but details will not put the Tory die hards off.

You have to admire Hunt. He is putting in some serious miles, photo ops etc. He is doing it old school. Boris just needs to sit tight for a month though, it is his to lose.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
A bland interview with no disasters. If he continues in the same vein he will win. He needs to be tripped up, to make gaffes to lose but yesterdays interview did not do either. You can pick up on details but details will not put the Tory die hards off.

You have to admire Hunt. He is putting in some serious miles, photo ops etc. He is doing it old school. Boris just needs to sit tight for a month though, it is his to lose.
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To me, a refusal to answer a straight question he's been tripped up. Its not a major gaffe but guilty by omission. Should his private life be fair game? No, but the question was "when was the photo taken?" The photo has been put out there by his team to deceive, and its failed miserably. He knows when the photo was taken, and is now part of that deception.
 
Have to say that I was a bit worried that what some might interpret as evasion and lies coming from BJ this morning when interviewed by LBC's Nick Ferrari, might impact upon his support.

However although a couple of alleged leave voters (probably O'Brien plants) soon phoned-in and claimed to be horrified by what they had heard - during the day it is clear that BJ supporting Leave voters are holding strong. They have been making it clear that there is no need to address any of the issues from the interview as it is clear that the MSM (including Ferrari and the esteemed Eddie Mair) are colluding and coordinating an attack on BJ to undermine his leadership chances and hence to undermine leaving the EU on 31/10 with no deal agreed.
 
Hobbit said:
To me, a refusal to answer a straight question he's been tripped up. Its not a major gaffe but guilty by omission. Should his private life be fair game? No, but the question was "when was the photo taken?" The photo has been put out there by his team to deceive, and its failed miserably. He knows when the photo was taken, and is now part of that deception.
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Sorry guys but I don't get this analysis of Johnson and the photo not being that important. If he and his team put this out as evidence that all was now OK with BJ and his partner then they were deliberately lying to us and trying to deceive the electorate. Surely that really matters.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Sorry guys but I don't get this analysis of Johnson and the photo not being that important. If he and his team put this out as evidence that all was now OK with BJ and his partner then they were deliberately lying to us and trying to deceive the electorate. Surely that really matters.
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Maybe he just thinks his private life has got nothing to do with any journalists
 
Heard a really good point on the radio this morning about a Tory MP who said that he despised Bojo but voted for him as they realised we are now in an era of cult like leaders with Corbyn and Farage. And Bojo is the nearest the tories have to being that type of leader, hence he is the only one who would have a chance at an election against the cult of personality and following the other leaders have.

Must be said that whilst I find it thoroughly depressing, there is a lot to agree with there. Have been saying for a long time that people are exhibiting more cult like behavior now in their politics, where any type of rational questioning of some of the guff they all come out with seems increasingly to go out of the window. And leaders are increasingly more bothered about playing to their cult like followers as opposed to actually bringing people together a bit more.
 
Hacker Khan said:
Heard a really good point on the radio this morning about a Tory MP who said that he despised Bojo but voted for him as they realised we are now in an era of cult like leaders with Corbyn and Farage. And Bojo is the nearest the tories have to being that type of leader, hence he is the only one who would have a chance at an election against the cult of personality and following the other leaders have.

Must be said that whilst I find it thoroughly depressing, there is a lot to agree with there. Have been saying for a long time that people are exhibiting more cult like behavior now in their politics, where any type of rational questioning of some of the guff they all come out with seems increasingly to go out of the window. And leaders are increasingly more bothered about playing to their cult like followers as opposed to actually bringing people together a bit more.
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It is a media era and we have media politicians. Social media is only going to exaggerate this. It is a bit grim really.
 
Could possibly have either the shortest serving PM in our history, or another X years of a Remain-PM (which would be hilarious if the Tory selectorate did elect Hunt after all the attempts to oust May).
 
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