The next PM.

robinthehood said:
It would, you could rustle up Tommy Robinson and few others for a protest march I guess
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If and it’s a big IF there’s a second referendum that’s it for a lot of people ,democracy is over.
If remain win by the same margin.
Don’t you think 48% of leavers have the same rights as 48% of remainers do now.
Where does it stop.

We would all want a rerun of the GE because I never voted Conservatives in.
People just don’t understand Losing anymore.
 
clubchamp98 said:
If and it’s a big IF there’s a second referendum that’s it for a lot of people ,democracy is over.
If remain win by the same margin.
Don’t you think 48% of leavers have the same rights as 48% of remainers do now.
Where does it stop.

We would all want a rerun of the GE because I never voted Conservatives in.
People just don’t understand Losing anymore.
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No doubt it leave won again they’d act like petulant children and throw another strop demanding yet another vote until they got their own way
 
clubchamp98 said:
If and it’s a big IF there’s a second referendum that’s it for a lot of people ,democracy is over.
If remain win by the same margin.
Don’t you think 48% of leavers have the same rights as 48% of remainers do now.
Where does it stop.

We would all want a rerun of the GE because I never voted Conservatives in.
People just don’t understand Losing anymore.
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Oh well c'est la vie
 
Dando said:
No doubt it leave won again they’d act like petulant children and throw another strop demanding yet another vote until they got their own way
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Can I just put this one to bed as it is getting a it tedious.

Most remainers and leavers accept the result of the 1st referendum and would accept leaving the EU with a deal. Remainers would not be happy, but if we left in a managed way with a good deal for both sides then ce la vie, *&&^ happens and leave got more votes.

When it comes to no deal then more remainers are a bit suspicious as that is mostly seen as a bad outcome for both sides by any sensible analysis, it is pandering to the more hard line leave extremists and it is highly debatable if that is what some of people that voted leave expected to happen.

The ever increasing calls for a 2nd referendum are IMHO, mostly just about all because the government can not get a majority and agree on what the best way to leave. If they would have sorted it then it would be game over. Personally I was very much in the camp of being very razzed off about the result, but it is what it is, get a deal and move on.

But now it seems that there is no way we can agree a way to leave that has any sort of parliamentary majority so e are stuck and it is just sucking the oxygen out of this country where we have other things to concentrate on. So if we still feel the great British public have sufficient insight, understanding and knowledge of the process and implications of one of the most important decisions this country has ever made, then lets put it back to them, make it so the government has to implement the result and get on with it. And then despite your supposition, no one would be demanding another referendum.
 
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Hacker Khan said:
Can I just put this one to bed as it is getting a it tedious.

Most leavers accept the result of the 1st referendum and would accept leaving the EU with a deal. They would not be happy, but if we left in a managed way with a good deal for both sides then ce la vie, *&&^ happens and leave got more votes.

When it comes to no deal then more leavers are a bit suspicious as that is mostly seen as a bad outcome for both sides by any sensible analysis, it is pandering to the more hard line leave extremists and it is highly debatable if that is what some of people that voted leave expected to happen.

The ever increasing calls for a 2nd referendum are IMHO, mostly just about all because the government can not get a majority and agree on what the best way to leave. If they would have sorted it then it would be game over. Personally I was very much in the camp of being very razzed off about the result, but it is what it is, get a deal and move on.

But now it seems that there is no way we can agree a way to leave that has any sort of parliamentary majority so e are stuck and it is just sucking the oxygen out of this country where we have other things to concentrate on. So if we still feel the great British public have sufficient insight, understanding and knowledge of the process and implications of one of the most important decisions this country has ever made, then lets put it back to them, make it so the government has to implement the result and get on with it. And then despite your supposition, no one would be demanding another referendum.
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Sorry but the kids started stropping as soon as the result was declared!
 
robinthehood said:
Course it Will work. Leave swept to the sidelines so we can get on with what's really important in life .
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Liquid Lunch?

I'm amazed that you still peddle this deluded nonsense in the face of the overwhelming brexit result last week. Did you see the map? All of England was Nigel Blue! Except for London but John Cleese explained that better than i could.;)
 
Hacker Khan said:
Can I just put this one to bed as it is gettipng a it tedious.

Most leavers accept the result of the 1st referendum and would accept leaving the EU with a deal. They would not be happy, but if we left in a managed way with a good deal for both sides then ce la vie, *&&^ happens and leave got more votes.

When it comes to no deal then more leavers are a bit suspicious as that is mostly seen as a bad outcome for both sides by any sensible analysis, it is pandering to the more hard line leave extremists and it is highly debatable if that is what some of people that voted leave expected to happen.

The ever increasing calls for a 2nd referendum are IMHO, mostly just about all because the government can not get a majority and agree on what the best way to leave. If they would have sorted it then it would be game over. Personally I was very much in the camp of being very razzed off about the result, but it is what it is, get a deal and move on.

But now it seems that there is no way we can agree a way to leave that has any sort of parliamentary majority so e are stuck and it is just sucking the oxygen out of this country where we have other things to concentrate on. So if we still feel the great British public have sufficient insight, understanding and knowledge of the process and implications of one of the most important decisions this country has ever made, then lets put it back to them, make it so the government has to implement the result and get on with it. And then despite your supposition, no one would be demanding another referendum.
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Your post is very reasoned.
But if we stay in the club in any way politically we run the risk that politicians will embed us further by stealth.
This is why we are where we are.
Nobody asked me about all those treaties the politicians signed .
This is the first referendum I have been asked for my vote and I was told by the PM that the result would be implemented.

You should never join a club you can’t leave!
But if you ask the question you should respect the answer.
 
Fade and Die said:
Liquid Lunch?

I'm amazed that you still peddle this deluded nonsense in the face of the overwhelming brexit result last week. Did you see the map? All of England was Nigel Blue! Except for London but John Cleese explained that better than i could.;)
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3 years since we left yes? hows that working for you.. ;)
 
clubchamp98 said:
Your post is very reasoned.
But if we stay in the club in any way politically we run the risk that politicians will embed us further by stealth.
This is why we are where we are.
Nobody asked me about all those treaties the politicians signed .
This is the first referendum I have been asked for my vote and I was told by the PM that the result would be implemented.

You should never join a club you can’t leave!
But if you ask the question you should respect the answer.
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Can't really argue with that. It was one of the most stupid and ill thought out questions ever put to the british public. if you ask a question then you really need to have a plan on how you will execute the answer. If you don't then you just end up tearing the country apart. There really are no winners in this process.
 
Still think a 15 to 1 type TV show with Piers Morgan asking the questions would be the best way to choose a leader.
Sample questions like how do you pronounce Kirkcubright and Pwll would keep them on their toes.:love:
 
Hacker Khan said:
Can't really argue with that. It was one of the most stupid and ill thought out questions ever put to the british public. if you ask a question then you really need to have a plan on how you will execute the answer. If you don't then you just end up tearing the country apart. There really are no winners in this process.
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I thought the plans were: Leave if we voted leave or Remain if we voted Remain. The simple answers are normally the best.

If its a more structured plan to leave then:

Objectives:
Leave the EU and its institutions and try to negotiate a new trading arrangement.

Activities:
Activate article 50, start negotiations that ensure a reasonable withdraw/future arrangement settlement is achieved that ensures future mutual trade is free of tarrifs and ensures the open movement of trade in Ireland.

Resorces:
Funding to pay for reasonable outstanding commitments minus UK's share of EU assets.
Investment in infrastructure to ensure a free flow of goods in and out of the UK.
Future spending to support UK business.
New international free trade agreements.
WTO trading where needed.

There's a start on the back of a fag packet.
 
SocketRocket said:
I thought the plans were: Leave if we voted leave or Remain if we voted Remain. The simple answers are normally the best.

If its a more structured plan to leave then:

Objectives:
Leave the EU and its institutions and try to negotiate a new trading arrangement.

Activities:
Activate article 50, start negotiations that ensure a reasonable withdraw/future arrangement settlement is achieved that ensures future mutual trade is free of tarrifs and ensures the open movement of trade in Ireland.

Resorces:
Funding to pay for reasonable outstanding commitments minus UK's share of EU assets.
Investment in infrastructure to ensure a free flow of goods in and out of the UK.
Future spending to support UK business.
New international free trade agreements.
WTO trading where needed.

There's a start on the back of a fag packet.
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So how's that simple answer working out then?
 
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