The next PM.

This thread is becoming another Brexit bun fight. Maybe we should keep it to the Tory Leadership issue.
Nice thought, but seems an unlikely hope!

Given that the trigger for a new PM was May's decision to resign because she couldn't get a sufficient 'consensus' to get the legislation throuygh Parliament, Brexit views and approaches are going to pretty dominant any issues/discussion about a new PM!
 
Because TM didn’t ask for any help until it was too late and then it wasn’t from all parties.
Therefore the only way they could of carried out what he posted was to accept the bad deal.

He said, "working together." Current tense, not past tense. No, "all should have worked together." It could be argued that they worked together to ensure May's bad deal wasn't passed, and were in fact working in the best interests of the people.
 
I blame every MP, they should be acting in the best interests of the country not toeing the party line. The country voted to leave, they should ALL be working together to deliver that.
While (even as a Remain voter) I agree with the concept, it's important to understand the true nature of the UK version of 'democracy'. It's perfectly described as a 'Parliamentary Democracy'! This means that whatever 'the people decide', even by referendum. it's Parliament that has the final say - and, in this case, The House of Lords (a key part of UK's 'Parliamentary Democracy') hasn't even been involved in any vote!

And I actually believe that (almost) every MP believes the really are 'acting in the best interest of the country' - even when they are opposing any deal that has been negotiated!
 
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What if the best interests of the country are to remain in the EU?
What if the best interests of the country are to leave the EU?
There's arguments for both sides - and why a referendum was such a bad commitment by Cameron! It's actually the sort of thing that 'government' is in the best position to actually decide! And that's even (or perhaps especially!) after the Civil Service, which/who are in a much better position to rationally offset both sides of such an argument, has had its say about the benefits/disadvantages of remaining/leaving! It was pretty obvious that the 'negatives' about EU membership would be far more visible/easily sold than the 'positives' of belonging to it (or the 'negatives' of not belonging to it) were!
 
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...I only blame the tories.
I don’t blame the Tories!
It’s the fault of people who vote for them, stand for them and fund them, they are the problem.
A Tory in number 10 has as much chance of doing good as Dick & Dom would, whilst playing a game of bogies😁
 
I don’t blame the Tories!
It’s the fault of people who vote for them, stand for them and fund them, they are the problem.
A Tory in number 10 has as much chance of doing good as Dick & Dom would, whilst playing a game of bogies😁

They are *** but strangely better than the opposition. I wonder why?🤔
 
Alan B'Stard thinking of joining the leadership race on the moderates ticket. ;)

Rab Dominic :unsure: so out of touch that he thinks flying more Union flegs in Scotland will save the UK.
 
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This contest should kick off properly on Monday shouldn't it - does May actually leave No.10 tomorrow or hang on until she'd evicted?

Shame that although Rory Stewart is speaking the most sense of the candidates imo, dealing in some reality at least, he stands no chance of being selected. Far too honest about things. Gove is trying to lay some carefully placed 'get outs' currently whilst trying to look strong on leaving - he's not daft.

It's May's deal or No Deal or Revoke or 2nd ref or Extend again. There is no time or will for changes to WA before end Oct despite what rabble rousing bluster Johnson/Hunt/Javid etc spout meantime. In that regard 'Nothing Has Changed' to coin a phrase. No Tory in with a real chance of PM will revoke and parliament won't allow No Deal, Govt won't allow 2nd ref and May's deal is dead. That just leaves Extend Article 50. Can anyone really see anything but that happening come Halloween?

Johnson may say we're leaving with No Deal but it's not entirely up to him if he's chosen.......thankfully, so promising that now is not facing facts. Can fully see these candidates promising out with No Deal on Halloween reneging on promises as soon as they're PM and find they cannot get out by Halloween, candidates spin doctors will be working overtime to come up with a strategy of who/what to blame when Oct31 comes and goes with no change.

Suspect candidates wont care if they're PM though. Get over that hurdle first then stall quickly with Brexit. :unsure:
 
I don’t blame the Tories!
It’s the fault of people who vote for them, stand for them and fund them, they are the problem.
A Tory in number 10 has as much chance of doing good as Dick & Dom would, whilst playing a game of bogies😁
Lets get this right then: All people who voted Tory are the problem.

Very well thought out and enlightening 🙄
 
This contest should kick off properly on Monday shouldn't it - does May actually leave No.10 tomorrow or hang on until she'd evicted?

Shame that although Rory Stewart is speaking the most sense of the candidates imo, dealing in some reality at least, he stands no chance of being selected. Far too honest about things. Gove is trying to lay some carefully placed 'get outs' currently whilst trying to look strong on leaving - he's not daft.

It's May's deal or No Deal or Revoke or 2nd ref or Extend again. There is no time or will for changes to WA before end Oct despite what rabble rousing bluster Johnson/Hunt/Javid etc spout meantime. In that regard 'Nothing Has Changed' to coin a phrase. No Tory in with a real chance of PM will revoke and parliament won't allow No Deal, Govt won't allow 2nd ref and May's deal is dead. That just leaves Extend Article 50. Can anyone really see anything but that happening come Halloween?

Johnson may say we're leaving with No Deal but it's not entirely up to him if he's chosen.......thankfully, so promising that now is not facing facts. Can fully see these candidates promising out with No Deal on Halloween reneging on promises as soon as they're PM and find they cannot get out by Halloween, candidates spin doctors will be working overtime to come up with a strategy of who/what to blame when Oct31 comes and goes with no change.

Suspect candidates wont care if they're PM though. Get over that hurdle first then stall quickly with Brexit. :unsure:

I think Raab could sneak up on the outside. He's said some on brand mental things at the moment that I bet is appealing to the traditional tory party member, so if he makes it to the last 2 who knows what will happen.
 
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