SocketRocket
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How can anyone know what they have or have not planned.
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The next PM.
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Have you conveniently forgot the Lorry Parks and contracts to Ferry Companies with no Ferries! Tory Government wasted millions!
SocketRocket
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How can you know what they have or have not plannedHave you conveniently forgot the Lorry Parks and contracts to Ferry Companies with no Ferries! Tory Government wasted millions!
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Exactly - as in all the planning I was asking about for triggering of Art50 and the negotiations that would follow - and that you assured me would of course be in place and that I was being naive in asking for it.
Well all that planning turned out super well didn't it. And all the risk identification, mitigation and contingency planning- all that ran very smoothly also.
In other words - like the rest of us you hadn't a clue what they had or had not planned - you just assumed (like everything else about leaving) that all would be done - all would be OK.
Well let's just leave on 31/10 with No Deal. After all - it's what everyone seems to want, and there is no point trying to argue against it. And let's not worry - because Mr Johnson and his chums will be in charge; will hold the EU to ransom with the £39bn withheld - and do some straight talking with the EU in the follow-up negotiations and get us a great free trade deal and all will be well. Bring it on.
Well all that planning turned out super well didn't it. And all the risk identification, mitigation and contingency planning- all that ran very smoothly also.
In other words - like the rest of us you hadn't a clue what they had or had not planned - you just assumed (like everything else about leaving) that all would be done - all would be OK.
Well let's just leave on 31/10 with No Deal. After all - it's what everyone seems to want, and there is no point trying to argue against it. And let's not worry - because Mr Johnson and his chums will be in charge; will hold the EU to ransom with the £39bn withheld - and do some straight talking with the EU in the follow-up negotiations and get us a great free trade deal and all will be well. Bring it on.
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It might be fine, it might be the best think we’ve ever done, I just want a plan in place to make sure we are covered, and by we I mean all of society, from the most vulnerable to the wealthiest.
SocketRocket
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Who assured you of anything? You seem a bit full of your own importance there!
Grant85
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Obviously I may be wrong, but absolutely none of these guys have a realistic solution to anything.
Whether the EU are suddenly going to change their tune because they are not dealing with Theresa May - I think is wishful thinking.
Whether parliament are suddenly going to get in behind a withdrawal agreement they have voted down 3 times - is possible, but unlikely.
Whether parliament are going to allow a No Deal scenario to take place on 31st October - probably least likely of the 3.
Being cynical you'd say they probably care more about being PM than they do about anything they can achieve while they are in office.
The new PM will still have to deal with the parliamentary arithmetic and there is simply not a viable or workable solution that will have a majority.
a General Election will likely leave us with no majority for anything and will almost certainly not happen unless several dozen Tories resign from the party and vote down the government.
a second referendum might be able to squeeze a majority for remaining. But ultimately the country will remain divided and probably we will be only another election away from this being a central issue and the prospect of more EU wranglings.
Whether the EU are suddenly going to change their tune because they are not dealing with Theresa May - I think is wishful thinking.
Whether parliament are suddenly going to get in behind a withdrawal agreement they have voted down 3 times - is possible, but unlikely.
Whether parliament are going to allow a No Deal scenario to take place on 31st October - probably least likely of the 3.
Being cynical you'd say they probably care more about being PM than they do about anything they can achieve while they are in office.
The new PM will still have to deal with the parliamentary arithmetic and there is simply not a viable or workable solution that will have a majority.
a General Election will likely leave us with no majority for anything and will almost certainly not happen unless several dozen Tories resign from the party and vote down the government.
a second referendum might be able to squeeze a majority for remaining. But ultimately the country will remain divided and probably we will be only another election away from this being a central issue and the prospect of more EU wranglings.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
Its politics Jim but not as we know it.
i did love the way J Hunt kept dropping in his credentials as a successful entrepreneur, i was under the impression all his Businesses failed
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
As we ploughed through the lead up to and after triggering of Art50 many were concerned that it was being done without the necessary planning being done - and when I asked the question it was you who assured me - and you were extremely dismissive (and called me naive) about my asking about the governments plan - because clearly Theresa may and Dave Davies would have a plan and it would be inappropriate for them to make it public knowledge as doing so would undermine our negotiating position.
However if that not how you remember it then so be it. I am not going to debate it. There is no point.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
I am not sure that I understand what that means in the context of it being a reply to the points in post - unless it is just a phrase a bit like "Brexit means Brexit" when May was asked what Brexit meant - in other words don't bother asking - all will be OK - you've just got to believe. OK - so I'll just believe that 5 of the candidates know how to get a better deal out of the EU - and as one of them might be PM it'll just be the EU that will prevent the deal being done. OK. I expect whoever is PM will fail on that and we'll be doing a No Deal departure. Joy!
SocketRocket
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No, I dont remember it but you will have convinced yourself. I can remember you demanding your own personal plan from the Prime Minister as though you were precious enough to be considered for it.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
It was a joke 🙄 Must say, haven't missed your Spanish Inquisitionesqe posting.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Indeed - I guessed as much - that you wouldn't remember talking of how of course there was a plan but the government couldn't possibly release it - but I do.
No matter. No point in labouring the point as there is no point in trying to convince some leave voters that No Deal really isn't a good idea.
Meanwhile back in cloud Tory-Land polls reveal that 51% of Tory Party Members (these people being who will provide us with the next PM) voted for TBP in the EU Elections - just who we should put our faith in to choose the next PM - the PM that will reunite the country. And 63% of the same individuals are happy to see the break up of the UK as a result of leaving the EU.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/u...ould-sacrifice-union-if-it-meant-brexit-being
Ah well. That's your Tory Party membership for you. Besides - these are only polls and predictions - can't trust them - been wrong in the past. Taking back control and handing it over to 160,000 Tory Party Members and a PM called Boris - don't you just love it.
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ColchesterFC
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I'm pretty sure that going in to the negotiations the government had a plan. And I'm equally sure that it lasted right up until about half an hour after they first sat down with the EU negotiators who looked at the plan and said "No, that's not going to happen" or words to that effect. From that point on I don't think there was a plan or at least not one that was coherent. That's not in any way a criticism of the EU negotiators who did a great job on behalf of the EU which is what they were there to do.
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Totally agree and it was at that point TM should of stood up to them and walked away.
USER1999
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I am not sure they did though, as if it does not get through it is not a good deal for anyone. It does not look likely to get done, so it's revoke art 50, or no deal. If art 50 is revoked, or the deal signed off, then yes, the EU team will have done a good job. If it's no deal, then they have been as useless as our lot.
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The difference being they are more likely than us to have a No Deal Plan ready to go should it happen.
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Why do you think they are any more prepared than us Paul?
This with knobs on. It is like arguing the Treaty of Versailles was a great deal when it pretty much laid the foundations for WW2. A good deal has to pass and be equitable for both sides. At the moment it can't even pass so it is a failure from both parties.
