The great drive for dough putt for show debate thread.

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I played with a lad off +2 today that is back home from a US college. He said the courses in the States you can smash it anywhere, typical bomb and gouge. However he said those courses are typical of a lot of PGA tour type venues. Once trees, long rough and heather come into the equation it's a different story altogether and accuracy becomes far more important than pure distance.
 
As you putt about 30-40 times in a round and probably only drive about 12-14, it should be simple to see where you can cut more shots by practising :unsure:
While they count for the same number, all shots are not equal.
You need no practice nor ability to knock in a 3 inch putt
 
I played with a lad off +2 today that is back home from a US college. He said the courses in the States you can smash it anywhere, typical bomb and gouge. However he said those courses are typical of a lot of PGA tour type venues. Once trees, long rough and heather come into the equation it's a different story altogether and accuracy becomes far more important than pure distance.

Yeah but he probably hits his 7 iron 180 yards :ROFLMAO:
 
While they count for the same number, all shots are not equal.
You need no practice nor ability to knock in a 3 inch putt
Correct, they all count as 1 shot but if you had hit the previous putt into the hole instead of missing by 3 inches...........
 
But what if the 3" putt is the result of a poor 6' putt?
The point still stands, your 30+ putts per round, is 30+ shots per round, some of those are so small as to count them in your 30+ putts per round is pointless, no amount or practice or lack of practice will make one any better or worse from that range
 
Correct, they all count as 1 shot but if you had hit the previous putt into the hole instead of missing by 3 inches...........
Urm yes, quite right, but that’s not the point we are discussing, it was the 12-14 drives per round versus 30+ putts per round.
The point is some of those 30+ putts aren’t relevant.
 
Yeah but he probably hits his 7 iron 180 yards :ROFLMAO:
Yes he probably does. But sometimes it's better to be 250 yards down the middle of the fairway than 280 yards in the clag. Or behind a tree. Or in the water or OOB. Distance is an advantage, no doubt about that but all those people that claim it is the THE most important way to lower your handicap are wrong. Simple as that.
 
Yes he probably does. But sometimes it's better to be 250 yards down the middle of the fairway than 280 yards in the clag. Or behind a tree. Or in the water or OOB. Distance is an advantage, no doubt about that but all those people that claim it is the THE most important way to lower your handicap are wrong. Simple as that.
Being 280 yards in the clag or behind a tree is better than being 250 yards in the clag or behind a tree though....
 
Urm yes, quite right, but that’s not the point we are discussing, it was the 12-14 drives per round versus 30+ putts per round.
The point is some of those 30+ putts aren’t relevant.
It is relevant. When you total up your score at the end of the round it's just a number. There are no prizes for the person that has the fewest putts or the longest drives.
 
As you putt about 30-40 times in a round and probably only drive about 12-14, it should be simple to see where you can cut more shots by practising :unsure:

Yes, clearly its driving.
12-14 putts will be inconsequential tap ins. 12-14 will be long putts of negligible chance of being holed or affecting the score. 6 or 8 putts actually matter, and are subject to random variation to a great degree outside the influence of the player.

Or put another way, if I puttd for McIlroy he would still be a touring pro. We mightnt know his name though.
If McIlroy putted for me, I would still be a 9 handicap hacker playing for £10 on Sunday morning.
 
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Yes he probably does. But sometimes it's better to be 250 yards down the middle of the fairway than 280 yards in the clag. Or behind a tree. Or in the water or OOB. Distance is an advantage, no doubt about that but all those people that claim it is the THE most important way to lower your handicap are wrong. Simple as that.

I would have agreed with you a week ago, but it seems every bit of data provided begs to differ with this statement.

No one on your side of this debate can give statistics that evidence your point.
 
I would have agreed with you a week ago, but it seems every bit of data provided begs to differ with this statement.

No one on your side of this debate can give statistics that evidence your point.
The statistics seem to be gathered by guys in the States based on US courses. Lou Stagner is in the USA and that's where he gets most of his data from. I've played quite a bit over there. I've also played huge amounts of golf on links and heathland tracks with thick rough and heather. Totally different animals, there is a much greater premium on keeping the ball in play on those UK courses than American resort courses.
 
The statistics seem to be gathered by guys in the States based on US courses. Lou Stagner is in the USA and that's where he gets most of his data from. I've played quite a bit over there. I've also played huge amounts of golf on links and heathland tracks with thick rough and heather. Totally different animals, there is a much greater premium on keeping the ball in play on those UK courses than American resort courses.
I suspect that this has an element of truth in it but I think it mainly reflects in the comparative importance of dispersion of tee shots rather than differences between the comparative importance of putting and driving.
 
Some more numbers,

To hit a 30 yard wide fairway at
250 yards = 6.8 degrees accuracy
280 yards = 6.1 degrees accuracy
310 yards = 5.6 degrees accuracy

If you cant hit a fairway at 280, you probably cant hit it at 250 either...
 
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