The Footie Thread

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Pin-seeker said:
How can you spend so much money & be so bad?
The recruitment is awful.

Agree with you about Bruno,& he’s wasted his best years at UTD imo.
And that’s not a dig at UTD.
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It’s a strange one coz we tend to have these conversations every year. The teams that have performed above and beyond, and the teams that have really struggled. I have said this before. City years ago seriously spent some money. But it don’t guarantee success or attractive football. Chelsea and Liverpool have both been abysmal re what they have spent and where they are.
But at the same time, the five teams that are only 2 points max behind Chelsea are doing really well.
The surprise team for me that have turned there season around are Utd. The stick the took before Varrick took over was unreal, and to finish above Liverpool is astonishing.
 
Swango1980 said:
6 points separates 6th to 14th. And many of those teams from 10th have a game or 2 in hand.

The fight for the last few European spots could be between many clubs
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Which is just rubbing salt, lemon and battery acid into the open wounds of Newcastle fans....just turning two of those utterly abject performances we have tossed off recently against Palace, Blunderland and Bournemouth, into wins, and we would be firmly in the driving seat to grab a place in Europe....hell 4 points and the table would look a lot rosier....but no the playing staff have downed tools and management cant seem to motivate them....11 hours sat on trains today, 1 hour on a rail replacement bus, train delays meant no pre-match beer as I only got in to Newcastle about 25 minutes before kick-off....and the buffet car had ran out of beer by the time it got to Peterborough where we sat for the best part of 50 minutes.

Only bright side is that I'm likely to get most of my train fares refunded under the Train Delay compo scheme.....mind you, most of the potential refund was spent in a bottle shop on Newcastle station.
 
Are we to take it that Utd fans now accept that Amorim shouldn't have been given extra time as per Fergie in order to turn it around? Can we add him to the list of Moyes, Mourinho, Van Gaal, Solskjaer, Ten Haag, who all lasted too long? Can the saying about Ferguson being given extra time so ........... should finally be put to bed? I mean, we've all loved the additional pain you've been through but..........😂
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Are we to take it that Utd fans now accept that Amorim shouldn't have been given extra time as per Fergie in order to turn it around? Can we add him to the list of Moyes, Mourinho, Van Gaal, Solskjaer, Ten Haag, who all lasted too long? Can the saying about Ferguson being given extra time so ........... should finally be put to bed? I mean, we've all loved the additional pain you've been through but..........😂
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Unlike Ten Hag, Amorim never gave me much positivity as his tenure got longer. I didnt know much about him, so at the beginning it was hope that all the positivity around him was correct.

I said quite some time before he got sacked, I became increasingly concerned that he was so open and adamant with the media that he only wanted to play one system. I understood it in his first season, as a long experiment and give him guidance in summer window. But I can't remember any real positive performances during his entire time. My big criticism, when he got sacked, was not that I felt he could be a great manager. It was on the board for getting it so wrong, and the fact they didnt even sack him due to performances, but because Wilcox got his feelings hurt. There was no plan moving forward, it was a car crash.

Of course, Carrick has made Amorim look a bit silly. Mainly, changing system, picking Mainoo, putting Bruno is his strongest position and picking up points. Mind you, under Amorim Utd still created a lot of chances, but were inept at scoring.

Apart from City and Arsenal, I wouldn't say Utd's performances under Carrick have been great or convincing, attacking wise anyway. But, they've shown good spirit, defended pretty well, and moments of quality have done the business.

I was 50/50 on us selling Bruno last summer, if we could get £100m for him, despite being fully aware he is our best player. Still probably felt that into this season, as he was in defensive midield role. Now, I am so glad we didnt, and really hope he stays. He has been incredible, and game after game you can understand why he is captain. His team mates have absolute confidence in him that he will always turn up, always want the ball, no matter the pressure on them
 
Swango1980 said:
I was 50/50 on us selling Bruno last summer, if we could get £100m for him, despite being fully aware he is our best player. Still probably felt that into this season, as he was in defensive midield role. Now, I am so glad we didnt, and really hope he stays. He has been incredible, and game after game you can understand why he is captain. His team mates have absolute confidence in him that he will always turn up, always want the ball, no matter the pressure on them
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This, 100%.
 
Mainoo was outstanding yesterday in what was in fairness a bang average Utd performance. Makes you wonder what Amorim was thinking.

Amorim only saw him as a “10” but he is very versatile. I thought Heaven (19 yo) was great aswell.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Are we to take it that Utd fans now accept that Amorim shouldn't have been given extra time as per Fergie in order to turn it around? Can we add him to the list of Moyes, Mourinho, Van Gaal, Solskjaer, Ten Haag, who all lasted too long? Can the saying about Ferguson being given extra time so ........... should finally be put to bed? I mean, we've all loved the additional pain you've been through but..........😂
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I still think Amorim did some good which he doesn’t seem to get credit for. The summer transfer window was the best we’ve had for years, and if he was in any way responsible for getting Garnacho, Sancho, Rashford and Onana out of the door, and bringing Cunha, Mbeumo, Sesko and Lammens in, then his tenure wasn’t all bad. And Carrick certainly seems to have inherited a far better dressing room than Amorim did.

But on field he was way too rigid. Same system at all costs, first substitution always a centre half for a centre half on sixty minutes, and benching a player in Mainoo who is again showing the sort of player he was when he first appeared on the scene. Players shoehorned into positions which didn’t suit them. The list goes on.

Liverpool did their due diligence on Amorim and realised they had a squad which he couldn’t work with. United being United didn’t. The evidence is there for all to marvel at.
 
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