The Footie Thread

[Orikoru]

Not a good look for Palace, this

https://twitter.com/x/status/2018550233676812537

Bit over the top to be honest. It's the nature of football that players are commodities and deals fall through all the time.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

That’s just rubbish, he’s playing regular football for his Country, one of the best managers’s in the world comes in for you and you say he’s made a poor choice, behave.

Every single footballer in his position would of made the same choice.

So it was a good choice to move and then never play at all losing your England place and spending most of the time bouncing other teams and ending up in the championship

 

[Aztecs27]

Bit over the top to be honest. It's the nature of football that players are commodities and deals fall through all the time.

There are Palace fans all over social media saying the same thing - so when it's coming from your own fans, you know it's not good.

Plus Parish has form on not being very good at admin

 

[Arthur Wedge]

There are Palace fans all over social media saying the same thing - so when it's coming from your own fans, you know it's not good.

Plus Parish has form on not being very good at admin

Does seem to be a little over the top

Deals fall thrown when left to the last minute

At least he still has a club and will be playing still

 

[AmandaJR]

So it was a good choice to move and then never play at all losing your England place and spending most of the time bouncing other teams and ending up in the championship

Hindsight and all that.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Hindsight and all that.

That’s all we can judge on - the last 4 years where his career has plummeted based on one poor decision

 

[PaulMdj]

So it was a good choice to move and then never play at all losing your England place and spending most of the time bouncing other teams and ending up in the championship

That’s hindsight!

 

[Arthur Wedge]

That’s hindsight!

It’s a judgement

He made a poor choice at the end of the day

Wasnt the first and won’t be the last

 

[PaulMdj]

It’s a judgement

He made a poor choice at the end of the day

Wasnt the first and won’t be the last

Please explain how he made a poor choice without using hindsight.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Please explain how he made a poor choice without using hindsight.

I’m not sure we need to start any back and forth - it’s very clear that moving to City killed his career and ultimately the player made the choice to move , as I said he probably looked at it as a good career move financially and on the pitch but it’s turned out to be the worst move for his career on the pitch

 

[PaulMdj]

I’m not sure we need to start any back and forth - it’s very clear that moving to City killed his career and ultimately the player made the choice to move , as I said he probably looked at it as a good career move financially and on the pitch but it’s turned out to be the worst move for his career on the pitch

He may look back on his decision to join City as a bad choice going on what’s followed, but at the time I’d of guessed he truly believed it was the right choice.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing as the saying goes, but what if he had stayed at Leeds he could of suffered a career ending injury in the next game and been forced to retire all together.

Then we could be saying his choice to join City was the right choice despite his career going backwards.

 

[Orikoru]

Please explain how he made a poor choice without using hindsight.

Players seem to over-estimate their own ability time and time again. Anyone looking at Phillips moving to City would have thought he was just taking the money to sit on the bench and play League Cup games, because he had absolutely no chancing of displacing a player like Rodri from the team. Phillips must have backed himself though I guess.

It's almost never a good idea for a young English player to move to City or Chelsea. You can count on one hand the number that have succeeded, whereas the list of names that have vanished and basically had to restart their careers, is endless.

I see James Trafford didn't get his move this window.

 

[PaulMdj]

Players seem to over-estimate their own ability time and time again. Anyone looking at Phillips moving to City would have thought he was just taking the money to sit on the bench and play League Cup games, because he had absolutely no chancing of displacing a player like Rodri from the team. Phillips must have backed himself though I guess.

It's almost never a good idea for a young English player to move to City or Chelsea. You can count on one hand the number that have succeeded, whereas the list of names that have vanished and basically had to restart their careers, is endless.

I see James Trafford didn't get his move this window.

I totally agree, but good luck to any player who gets the chance and has that self belief.

We saw it with Jack Rodwell a few years back, but at the time the player will believe he’s making the right choice.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I see James Trafford didn't get his move this window.

It wasn't in City's interests to let him go in January. I'd be amazed if he doesn't move in the summer though. Newcastle is the obvious place for him. They wanted him before City invoked the buy back, they still need a new number 1.

 

[Swango1980]

Bit over the top to be honest. It's the nature of football that players are commodities and deals fall through all the time.

It is over the top from our point of view. As such a thing is pretty much a non-story, or forgotten in a day or two.

But, in fairness, from the point of view of the player and his family, it can be monumental. Clubs see them as pawns, and us fans will often see them as pawns. But, they are real people that have lives to live. If you have spent a good amount of time planning to make major changes in your life, and then at the last second it all falls through because the people that were making all the guarantees suddenly pulled the plug (with no warning or explanation), I'm sure it can feel like a dagger to the heart. You go from having a guaranteed salary for the next 4-5 years, to being uncertain again as to what the future brings.

 

[Orikoru]

It wasn't in City's interests to let him go in January. I'd be amazed if he doesn't move in the summer though. Newcastle is the obvious place for him. They wanted him before City invoked the buy back, they still need a new number 1.

Would love him to come to Spurs. Vicario seems to lurch from making the most incredible reflex save you've seen, to being flummoxed by a simple cross.

It is over the top from our point of view. As such a thing is pretty much a non-story, or forgotten in a day or two.

But, in fairness, from the point of view of the player and his family, it can be monumental. Clubs see them as pawns, and us fans will often see them as pawns. But, they are real people that have lives to live. If you have spent a good amount of time planning to make major changes in your life, and then at the last second it all falls through because the people that were making all the guarantees suddenly pulled the plug (with no warning or explanation), I'm sure it can feel like a dagger to the heart. You go from having a guaranteed salary for the next 4-5 years, to being uncertain again as to what the future brings.

And all you get in exchange is £50,000+ a week. So unfair.

 

[Swango1980]

Would love him to come to Spurs. Vicario seems to lurch from making the most incredible reflex save you've seen, to being flummoxed by a simple cross.


And all you get in exchange is £50,000+ a week. So unfair.

If we believe mental health should be directly related to salary, then you are correct.

I'll never earn that sort of money. However, if I did for a few years, I reckon I'd still have low points in life when things don't go to plan, including in my professional life.

And the post was made from McNeil's partner, not himself. She was probably only expressing an opinion on how they both feel at this time. Can that be over the top, when all she has done is express publicly how they are feeling at this time? I guess she could have just kept it private, albeit the feeling would still be the same privately.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

It is over the top from our point of view. As such a thing is pretty much a non-story, or forgotten in a day or two.

But, in fairness, from the point of view of the player and his family, it can be monumental. Clubs see them as pawns, and us fans will often see them as pawns. But, they are real people that have lives to live. If you have spent a good amount of time planning to make major changes in your life, and then at the last second it all falls through because the people that were making all the guarantees suddenly pulled the plug (with no warning or explanation), I'm sure it can feel like a dagger to the heart. You go from having a guaranteed salary for the next 4-5 years, to being uncertain again as to what the future brings.

How is that any different to someone being made unemployed because the company they work at is going bust or relocating to another country?
He staill has his job, just not at the next step on the ladder he wants to climb.

 

[Swango1980]

Speaking of players that seem to decline surprisingly quickly, I see Celtic are interested in Oxlade-Chamberlain. That is a name I completely forgot about.

 

[Swango1980]

How is that any different to someone being made unemployed because the company they work at is going bust or relocating to another country?
He staill has his job, just not at the next step on the ladder he wants to climb.

It is no different. I wasn't trying to say that their circumstances are worse than a person in the scenario you mentioned.

I was just saying that whether you work at a minimum wage job, or you earn a fortune, you can still have your stressful low points in life. I don't think anyone is immune to that.