The Footie Thread

[Swango1980]

Really?

Second yellows are more subjective? Jeez… each incident is determined on its merits, although a ref might be reluctant to give a second yellow as it leads to a sending off but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t warrant action.

Calling the ref to the big screen is an illusion…? I’ve seen a good few refs stick with their original decision.

Wow! I’ve read some long winded rubbish in here but… anyway, wow!

Which is why I said 99% rather than 100%!

 

[Hobbit]

Which is why I said 99% rather than 100%!

 

[Hobbit]

Yes, yellow cards are almost certainly more subjective. That isn't to say ALL yellow cards are. Kicking the ball away, sarcastically clapping a ref, waving an imaginary card, etc are all definitive yellow cards.

But yellow cards for challenges are clearly more subjective. A straight red is something that has to meet a certain high threshold, and anything beyond that is still a straight red. Yet we see how subjective that can be. Whereas yellow cards are for anything below a red. Some referees give them out like confetti. Any sort of innocent mistimed challenge could be given a yellow. Whereas other referees are extremely lenient, to a point. May I also remind you the amount of times that a referee will not give out a yellow card to an incident very early in the game, but if it is much deeper into the game, will immediately brandish a yellow. They are not just given out for the incident in isolation, but can also be used by referees to control the players in the game. Some happy to let things fly early on, but willing to give out yellows to calm players down later on.

There must also be significantly more yellows than reds, so these sorts of decisions could potentially have to be made much more frequently (if indeed VAR will look at first yellows as well)

We've talked for days on specific incidents in here about whether an incident should have been a red card or not, many times not everyone agrees. If we had the discussions on justifying yellow cards, it would be endless. Someone will be crying out that a player didn't get a yellow card, even though another player got a yellow the week before for some sort of incredibly tame offence.

Refs use a totting up system for persistent fouling. I’ll make it easy for you. First foul, a free kick and maybe a quiet word. Second foul, maybe a card but definitely a word. 3rd offence, a yellow. If they go straight to yellow, where do they go for the second offence?

Bearing in mind that red is a higher bar, there’ll always be more yellows than reds.

Thanks for sharing, I’ve learned so much…

Do you actually watch football?

 

[Swango1980]

Refs use a totting up system for persistent fouling. I’ll make it easy for you. First foul, a free kick and maybe a quiet word. Second foul, maybe a card but definitely a word. 3rd offence, a yellow. If they go straight to yellow, where do they go for the second offence?

Bearing in mind that red is a higher bar, there’ll always be more yellows than reds.

Thanks for sharing, I’ve learned so much…

Do you actually watch football?

Thanks for the education

I apologise for expressing an opinion, albeit I think I did so without ever being offensive, but you have suitable mocked me into submission, so I'll not add anything more.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Some interesting suggestions here.

Red cards, VAR and offside laws facing Ifab review at London meeting

The Ifab's annual business meeting in London will discuss changes to the laws for the Fifa World Cup and domestic leagues.

www.bbc.co.uk

Well it’s interesting but from that list the main one imo they should look at is the GK tactical foul

Definitely should do something to stop that happening - not sure what though


VAR for corners ?! - no thanks

For second yellows - no thanks


It looks like they want to have more involvement from a system that is full of flaws


Less is better please

 

[Orikoru]

Don't mind the offside thing, I thought Wenger's proposal was mental personally. And using the torso, disregarding head or feet actually makes sense to me. Using the feet is too dependent on what their stride pattern happens to be when the replay is paused. Using the torso will actually show you if they're gaining an advantage by being ahead of the defender.

I'm sure in practice it'll fail horribly like most of these things do, but it's a decent idea in theory.

Good to see they're looking at the goalkeeper fake injury thing. Although surely the time gets added on anyway? That's supposed to make any timewasting pointless, I recall the previous international competitions where 10 and 12 minutes were being added on, and I thought this was generally well-received?

As for the VAR stuff - they should be massively reducing the number of VAR interventions, not increasing them. They really don't have their finger on the pulse of popular opinion if they're looking at it that way.

 

[Swango1980]

Don't mind the offside thing, I thought Wenger's proposal was mental personally. And using the torso, disregarding head or feet actually makes sense to me. Using the feet is too dependent on what their stride pattern happens to be when the replay is paused. Using the torso will actually show you if they're gaining an advantage by being ahead of the defender.

I'm sure in practice it'll fail horribly like most of these things do, but it's a decent idea in theory.

Good to see they're looking at the goalkeeper fake injury thing. Although surely the time gets added on anyway? That's supposed to make any timewasting pointless, I recall the previous international competitions where 10 and 12 minutes were being added on, and I thought this was generally well-received?

As for the VAR stuff - they should be massively reducing the number of VAR interventions, not increasing them. They really don't have their finger on the pulse of popular opinion if they're looking at it that way.

I love your final point.

Their should start reducing their VAR interventions in a similar way to how Alan Partridge dimmed the light switch in the travel tavern (if anybody has seen it)

 

[4LEX]

Don't mind the offside thing, I thought Wenger's proposal was mental personally. And using the torso, disregarding head or feet actually makes sense to me. Using the feet is too dependent on what their stride pattern happens to be when the replay is paused. Using the torso will actually show you if they're gaining an advantage by being ahead of the defender.

I'm sure in practice it'll fail horribly like most of these things do, but it's a decent idea in theory.

Good to see they're looking at the goalkeeper fake injury thing. Although surely the time gets added on anyway? That's supposed to make any timewasting pointless, I recall the previous international competitions where 10 and 12 minutes were being added on, and I thought this was generally well-received?

As for the VAR stuff - they should be massively reducing the number of VAR interventions, not increasing them. They really don't have their finger on the pulse of popular opinion if they're looking at it that way.

The time wasting and tactical breaks during Reading v Orient on Saturday were up there with the worst I've seen. Over 11 minutes added on and there wasn't one serious injury or issue in the second half. For once a ref actually added the time on but Orient cheated their way to breaking the game up when they were ahead and it's an unfair advantage. Shocking more isn't be done to stop it.

 

[PaulMdj]

Just seen videos of the Moroccan ball boys stealing the towels from the Nigerian and Senegal goalkeepers and throwing them in to the crowd.

Even Hakimi, from PSG, is caught on video stealing Mendy’s towel, the Senegal reserve keeper then goes behind the goal to protect the towels and at one point is rolling around on the ground struggling against 4 Ball boys!

Never seen anything like it.

 

[AmandaJR]

Don't mind the offside thing, I thought Wenger's proposal was mental personally. And using the torso, disregarding head or feet actually makes sense to me. Using the feet is too dependent on what their stride pattern happens to be when the replay is paused. Using the torso will actually show you if they're gaining an advantage by being ahead of the defender.

I'm sure in practice it'll fail horribly like most of these things do, but it's a decent idea in theory.

Good to see they're looking at the goalkeeper fake injury thing. Although surely the time gets added on anyway? That's supposed to make any timewasting pointless, I recall the previous international competitions where 10 and 12 minutes were being added on, and I thought this was generally well-received?

As for the VAR stuff - they should be massively reducing the number of VAR interventions, not increasing them. They really don't have their finger on the pulse of popular opinion if they're looking at it that way.

They should say if they need treatment the sub keeper can come on until they're fit to return. No sub keeper then an outfield player.

 

[Orikoru]

Just seen videos of the Moroccan ball boys stealing the towels from the Nigerian and Senegal goalkeepers and throwing them in to the crowd.

Even Hakimi, from PSG, is caught on video stealing Mendy’s towel, the Senegal reserve keeper then goes behind the goal to protect the towels and at one point is rolling around on the ground struggling against 4 Ball boys!

Never seen anything like it.

Saw that - if the officials weren't going to do anything, I think the player should have been allowed to chin each of them. It was utterly ridiculous.

 

[4LEX]

Just seen videos of the Moroccan ball boys stealing the towels from the Nigerian and Senegal goalkeepers and throwing them in to the crowd.

Even Hakimi, from PSG, is caught on video stealing Mendy’s towel, the Senegal reserve keeper then goes behind the goal to protect the towels and at one point is rolling around on the ground struggling against 4 Ball boys!

Never seen anything like it.

It was a mad hour or so of football. Senegal were harshly treated and I don't blame their players for walking off or the fans for kicking off. Thankfully the biggest dose of karma ever was delivered

 

[PaulMdj]

Saw that - if the officials weren't going to do anything, I think the player should have been allowed to chin each of them. It was utterly ridiculous.

It was a mad hour or so of football. Senegal were harshly treated and I don't blame their players for walking off or the fans for kicking off. Thankfully the biggest dose of karma ever was delivered

Videos of the Senegal fans trying to get on the pitch as well, proper getting stuck in to security.

They’ve got to take action against both Countries to some degree.

 

[Tashyboy]

Just seen videos of the Moroccan ball boys stealing the towels from the Nigerian and Senegal goalkeepers and throwing them in to the crowd.

Even Hakimi, from PSG, is caught on video stealing Mendy’s towel, the Senegal reserve keeper then goes behind the goal to protect the towels and at one point is rolling around on the ground struggling against 4 Ball boys!

Never seen anything like it.

What the heck is that all about.

 

[Billysboots]

Videos of the Senegal fans trying to get on the pitch as well, proper getting stuck in to security.

They’ve got to take action against both Countries to some degree.

I think Senegal, at the very least, will be subject to a huge fine.

 

[PaulMdj]

I think Senegal, at the very least, will be subject to a huge fine.

Both need fining, from the final it should be Senegal, but from what I’ve read and seen today it looks like Morocco have stirred up quite a bit of anomosity with their behaviour during the tournament.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Both need fining, from the final it should be Senegal, but from what I’ve read and seen today it looks like Morocco have stirred up quite a bit of anomosity with their behaviour during the tournament.

All good practice for them being one of the hosts of the 2030 World Cup

 

[Swango1980]

I think Senegal, at the very least, will be subject to a huge fine.

Didn't see the final, or any games.

But, generally, if a team walks off the pitch without any legitimate reason (e.g. safety, racism), then they should forfeit the match and face sanctions (fine, future suspension).

Imagine the chaos if teams started leaving the pitch anytime they disagreed with a decision

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I think Senegal, at the very least, will be subject to a huge fine.

The ref really should have blown the whistle , abandoned the game and awarded it to Morocco

But the whole tournament was full of what looked like blatent bias towards the hosts from the refs

The win is very much tainted

At least it made it newsworthy because the standard of play was really poor

 

[4LEX]

Very dubious decisions at best, rigged at worst. Fair goal scrubbed off and then a dodgy penalty given to the hosts. The clear cheating with ball boys and players trying to steal the keepers towel was worse than anything else IMO.

I think if more teams walked off due to some horrific decisions it would force the authorities to get their act together. Everyone in the ground and on the bench can see the incidents within seconds. Unfortunately this has just confirmed AFCON is a tinpot event and should be played every four years minimum.